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The Taxation of Roth IRA Distributions

Roth IRAs allow tax-free distributions to fund retirement. However, to help secure retirement savings and avoid premature raiding of Roth IRAs, Congress did not give them blanket exemption from taxes and penalties. Thus, there are times where distributions from Roth IRAs are subject to either or both ordinary income tax and/or the 10% early withdrawal penalty. The IRS and Treasury have issued regulations governing the rules of the road for Roth IRAs, which interpret the rules Congress wrote in IRC Section 408A.

A Few Introductory Notes Before We Get Started

The below post is different from many posts on FITaxGuy.com in two respects. First, my posts tend to be planning focused, though they often dive into tax rules, as a good understanding of the rules helps with planning. This post is almost entirely rules focused rather than planning focused.

Second, the primary audience for this post is tax and financial advisors (though I welcome both laymen and professionals reading and questioning the post). I have recently observed that professionals seem to be confused about the Roth IRA distribution rules. It’s time to lay out the rules with citations to the relevant governing regulations!

Below I lay out my breakdown of the rules with extensive citation to the regulations so you can see where I’m getting my assertions from. You get to be the judge and jury as to whether I have properly presented the relevant rule.

Now, back to the show. Per Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 1(a) “[t]he taxability of a distribution from a Roth IRA generally depends on whether or not the distribution is a qualified distribution.”

Roth IRA Qualified Distributions

A qualified distribution is not included in the Roth IRA’s owner’s gross income (Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 1(b)) and is thus tax free and penalty free (see Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 5(a)).

The way most distributions from a Roth IRA qualify as a “qualified distribution” is by satisfying the requirements that the owner (1) is age 59 ½ or older (see Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 1(b)(2)) and (2) has owned a Roth IRA for at least 5 years (see Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 1(b)(1)).

Once one qualifies for a qualified distribution by satisfying both the age 59 ½ requirement and the 5 year requirement, he or she no longer has any need to consider either of the two Roth IRA 5-year rules (the so-called 5-Year Conversion Clock and the so-called 5-Year Earnings Clock).

Roth IRA Nonqualified Distributions

Now we turn to the taxation of distributions that do not qualify as qualified distributions (what I colloquially refer to as “nonqualified distributions”). As a very general matter, the taxation of these distributions is mostly governed by Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&As 1, 4, 5, 8, and 9.

Ordering Rule

Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 8 provides an ordering rule for distributions from a Roth IRA. This creates three layers. Each layer must be fully withdrawn prior to a subsequent layer being accessed. See Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 8(a).

First, all annual contributions are withdrawn. Second, all previous Roth conversions are withdrawn (first in, first out). Third, earnings (growth) in the Roth IRA are withdrawn.

Tax Free Withdrawal of Owner Contributions (Both Annual Contributions and Roth Conversions)

Annual contributions and Roth conversions are “contributions” that are always withdrawn income tax free. See Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 1(b) (contributions always are withdrawn tax free), Q&A 8(a) (annual contributions and Roth conversions are both “contributions”).

Roth IRA annual contributions can be withdrawn at any time for any reason tax and penalty free! See Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 1(b) and Q&A 5(a).

5 Year Clock on Roth Conversions

However, the withdrawal of taxable Roth conversions can be subject to the 10% early withdrawal penalty. See Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 5(b) (see also IRC Section 408A(d)(3)(F)). This is only true if the Roth conversion is withdrawn within 5 years. See Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 5(b) (the 5-Year Conversion Clock).

Per Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 5(b), the exceptions to the 10% early withdrawal penalty also apply. The most prominent such exception is having attained the age of 59 ½. Thus, a distribution from a Roth IRA received by an owner at least 59 ½ years old will never be subject to the 10% early withdrawal penalty.

Roth Earnings

Nonqualified distributions of earnings are subject to ordinary income tax (see Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 4) and potentially the 10% early withdrawal penalty (see Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 5(a)). Generally speaking, if one is either under age 59 ½ years old (see Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 1(b)(2)) or if the owner has not owned a Roth IRA for at least 5 years (see Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 1(b)(1), the 5-Year Earnings Clock), any withdrawal of earnings will be subject to ordinary income tax. Further, if one receives a distribution of earnings prior to age 59 ½, they are generally subject to the 10% early withdrawal penalty, unless they qualify for another exception.

Note that as a practical matter, distributions of earnings received prior to turning age 59 ½ are rare since all previous annual contributions and Roth conversions must be withdrawn prior to a distribution being considered a distribution of earnings.

A Quick Note on Roth IRA Aggregation

For purposes of assessing the taxation of a distribution from a Roth IRA, one aggregates all of their Roth IRAs and treats them together as a single Roth IRA. See IRC Section 408A(d)(4), Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 9(a) and (b), and my YouTube video on the subject.

UPDATE October 30, 2023: I appreciate Andy Ives’s post on IRAHelp.com. He lays out very simply the Roth IRA Distribution rules at the end of this short post. His analysis agrees with mine.

Application to Fact Patterns

Having now covered the universe of the taxation of Roth IRA distributions (both qualified distributions and nonqualified distributions), let’s apply the rules to four examples.

Example 1: Jorge celebrates his 65th birthday in the year 2023. After his birthday party, he converted $40,000 of his traditional 401(k) to a Roth IRA. The conversion is fully taxable. This is the first time Jorge has owned any Roth IRA. On January 1, 2024, Jorge withdrew $25,000 from his Roth IRA. On January 1, 2025, Jorge withdrew $25,000 from his Roth IRA.

What results in 2024 and 2025?

Jorge, as of both 2024 and 2025, does not meet the criteria for taking a qualified distribution because he has not owned a Roth IRA for at least 5 years. Thus, he has a nonqualified distribution in both years.

In 2024, the $25,000 withdrawal of Roth conversions is income tax free (see Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 1(b)) and is penalty free because Jorge is older than age 59 ½. This demonstrates that the 5-Year Conversion Clock is irrelevant once one turns age 59 ½. Check out Jorge’s 2024 Form 8606 Part III here (pardon the use of the 2022 version, it’s the latest one available as of this writing).

In 2025, the first $15,000 of Jorge’s withdrawal is a return of Roth conversions and thus not subject to ordinary income tax. Further, this withdrawal is not subject to the 10% early withdrawal penalty. The second $10,000 Jorge withdrew is a nonqualified distribution of earnings. Jorge must pay ordinary income tax on those $10,000 (see Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 4). This withdrawal of earnings violates the 5-Year Earnings Clock and is thus subject to ordinary income tax. However, this withdrawal of earnings is not subject to the 10% early withdrawal penalty as Jorge is older than age 59 ½. Check out Jorge’s 2025 Form 8606 Part III here.

Example 2: Samantha celebrates her 45th birthday in the year 2023. After her birthday party, she converted $60,000 of her old traditional 401(k) to a Roth IRA. The conversion is fully taxable. This is the first time Samantha has owned any Roth IRA. On January 1, 2024, Samantha withdrew $25,000 from her Roth IRA. On January 1, 2025, Samantha withdrew $40,000 from her Roth IRA.

What results in 2024 and 2025?

Samantha, as of both 2024 and 2025, does not meet the criteria for taking a qualified distribution because she has not owned a Roth IRA for at least 5 years. Thus, she has a nonqualified distribution in both years.

In 2024, Samantha’s withdrawal is a return of Roth conversions and thus not subject to ordinary income tax. However, because the withdrawal is from Roth conversions younger than 5 years old, and Samantha is under age 59 ½, Samantha must pay the 10% early withdrawal penalty ($2,500) on the distribution (she violates the 5-Year Conversion Clock), unless an exception applies.

In 2025, the first $35,000 of Samantha’s withdrawal is a return of Roth conversions and thus not subject to ordinary income tax. However, because the withdrawal is from Roth conversions younger than 5 years old, Samantha must pay the 10% early withdrawal penalty ($3,500) on the distribution (she violates the 5-Year Conversion Clock), unless an exception applies.

The second $5,000 Samantha withdrew in 2025 is a nonqualified distribution of earnings. Samantha must pay ordinary income tax on those $5,000 (see Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 4) and generally must pay the 10% early withdrawal penalty ($500) on that $5,000 distribution of earnings, unless an exception applies.

Example 3: Ed celebrates his 65th birthday in the year 2023. After his birthday party, he converted $40,000 of his old traditional 401(k) to a Roth IRA. The conversion is fully taxable. Ed has owned a Roth IRA since 1998. On January 1, 2024, Ed withdrew $25,000 from his Roth IRA. On January 1, 2025, Ed withdrew $25,000 from his Roth IRA.

What results in 2024 and 2025?

Unlike Examples 1 & 2, we finally have a qualified distribution! Why? Ed has (i) owned a Roth IRA since 1998 (more than 5 years) and (ii) is over age 59 ½. Thus, the only type of distribution Ed can take from his Roth IRA is a qualified distribution. Per Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 1(b), a qualified distribution is tax free. Further, Ed cannot pay the early withdrawal penalty on a distribution from his Roth IRA as he is in his 60s (see also Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 5(a)). Thus, there is no tax and no penalty on either the 2024 distribution or the 2025 distribution.

Example 4: This example is based on my conversation with Brad Barrett on a recent episode of the ChooseFI podcast. Jonathan turns age 57 on July 1, 2023. He’s never had a Roth IRA. On July 1, 2023, he converted $50,000 from a traditional IRA to a Roth IRA. The conversion is fully taxable.

What withdrawal constraints does Jonathan have on his Roth IRA?

If Jonathan withdraws up to $50,000 from his Roth IRA prior to turning age 59 ½ on January 1, 2026, Jonathan will have to pay the 10% early withdrawal penalty as he violates the 5-Year Conversion Clock (unless an exception applies).

If Jonathan cumulatively withdraws amounts in excess of $50,000 from his Roth IRA prior to turning age 59 ½, he will pay ordinary income tax on the withdrawal of those earnings (as he violates the 5-Year Earnings Clock) and he will pay the 10% early withdrawal penalty (unless an exception applies).

From January 1, 2026 through December 31, 2027, if Jonathan cumulatively withdraws amounts in excess of $50,000 from his Roth IRA, he will pay ordinary income tax on the withdrawal of those earnings (as he violates the 5-Year Earnings Clock). However, Jonathan will not pay the 10% early withdrawal penalty. Starting on January 1, 2028, Jonathan satisfies the 5-Year Earnings Clock (see Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 2) and is now permanently able to take a qualified distribution from his Roth IRA going forward.

Example 5: Denzel celebrates his 35th birthday in the year 2023. After his birthday party, he contributed $6,500 to a traditional IRA on July 1, 2023. He cannot deduct the contribution based on his income level. On August 2, 2023, at a time the traditional IRA was worth $6,502, he converted the entire traditional IRA to a Roth IRA, completing a Backdoor Roth IRA. This is the first time Denzel has owned any Roth IRA. He owned no traditional IRAs, SEP IRAs, and/or SIMPLE IRAs on December 31, 2023. Denzel reported $2 of taxable income on his 2023 tax return due to the Backdoor Roth IRA.

On January 16, 2024, Denzel withdrew $3,000 from his Roth IRA and made no contributions to his Roth IRA during 2024.

What results in 2024?

Denzel, as of 2024, does not meet the criteria for taking a qualified distribution because he has not owned a Roth IRA for at least 5 years. Thus, he has a nonqualified distribution in 2024.

Pursuant to Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 8(b), the taxable portion of the Roth conversion ($2 out of $6,502) comes out first. That $2 is subject to the 10% early withdrawal penalty (a $0.20 penalty which rounds down to $0) since he violates the 5-Year Conversion Clock, unless an exception applies. This $2 constitutes what I colloquially refer to as a micro layer inside the Roth IRA: for 5 years it is subject to the 10% early withdrawal penalty if withdrawn (unless an exception applies).

However, the $2 recovery of the taxable Roth conversion is not subject to ordinary income tax. See Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 1(b).

Second, the $2,998 nontaxable portion of the Roth conversion is distributed out. This nonqualified distribution is subject to neither ordinary income tax nor the 10% early withdrawal penalty. See Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 1(b), 5(a), and 5(b). Check out Denzel’s 2024 Form 8606 Part III here.

There is some confusion on this latter result. Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 4 provides that only once all of the owner’s previous “contributions” have been withdrawn are nonqualified Roth IRA distributions subject to ordinary income tax. For this purpose, it is clear from reading Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 8(a) that “contributions” include both “annual contributions” and “Roth conversions.” See also Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 5(b) providing that the 10% early withdrawal penalty does not hit withdrawals of nontaxable converted amounts (“For purposes of applying the tax, only the amount of the conversion contribution includible in gross income as a result of the conversion is taken into account.”). Thus, the nontaxable portion of a Backdoor Roth IRA can be recovered tax and penalty free at any time for any reason.

Other than the minor potential Backdoor Roth IRA micro layer issue, a Backdoor Roth IRA could, in theory, serve as an emergency fund (though generally we want to plan for long term Roth IRA tax-free growth).

Roth IRA Distributions Summary Chart

Type of Distribution	Ordinary Income Tax	10% Early Withdrawal Penalty	Notes
Qualified Distribution	Never	Never	Main way to qualify: attain age 59 ½ and own Roth IRA for 5 years.
NQ Return of Annual Contributions	Never	Never	Comes out prior to returns of conversions and earnings.
NQ Return of Roth Conversions	Never	Can apply. Applies if the taxable conversion is less than 5 years old and the owner is under age 59 ½ (though exceptions can apply).	Come out “FIFO” (first-in, first out).
NQ Distribution of Earnings	Always	Yes, if the owner is under age 59 ½ (though exceptions can apply).	Come out only if all prior annual contributions and conversions have been withdrawn.

NQ stands for nonqualified

Exceptions to the 59 ½ Year Age Requirement

It is possible to qualify for a qualified distribution if one is younger than 59 ½ years of age. It happens if (1) the 5-Year Earnings Clock is satisfied and (2) the Roth IRA owner (i) is using the money for a first-time home purchase (limit of $10,000), or (ii) is disabled, or (iii) has died. See Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 1(b)(2). Outside of the owner’s death, these situations are rare.

Resources

Notice this post cites the to regulation and occasionally the Internal Revenue Code. That’s because they are the law of land! The Code is the primary law of the land, but it tends to be written in a manner inaccessible to most laymen and difficult for many professionals to understand. The regulations interpret the Code. While not an elementary school level read, Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 is much more comprehensible than the Code. The regulation’s question and answer format makes it much easier to digest.

IRS Publication 590-B, Distributions from Individual Retirement Arrangements (IRAs), is an IRS publication. As such it is (i) informative and (ii) not binding authority on either the IRS or on taxpayers. Please understand both when using an IRS publication. I will note that Publication 590-B has an excellent flowchart (Figure 2-1) which can be used to help determine if a distribution from a Roth IRA is a qualified distribution.

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How I Learned to Stop Worrying About the Roth IRA 5 Year Rules

You know what gets too much attention in the personal finance space? The two five-year Roth IRA rules.

Why do I say that? Because the odds are extremely low that either rule will ever impact most Roth IRA owners. While the rules theoretically have wide effect, in practice, discussed further below, they rarely impact the taxation of Roth IRA distributions.

Before I get started, below is a summary table of the two five-year rules (or five-year clocks, use whichever terminology you prefer). The table is not comprehensive, but rather intended to cover the vast majority of situations. I hope you find this table to be a useful reference regarding the two five-year rules.

Rule	Tax Bite	Age	Code Section	Regulation
First Five-Year Rule	Ordinary income tax on withdrawal of earnings from Roth IRA only	Generally bites only if owner is over 59 ½ years old	408A(d)(2)(B)	1.408A-6 Q&A 2
Second Five-Year Rule	10% early withdrawal penalty on withdrawal of taxable converted amounts from Roth IRA only	Only bites if owner is under age 59 ½	408A(d)(3)(F)	1.408A-6 Q&A 5(b)

First Five-Year Rule: Earnings Cannot Be Withdrawn Income Tax Free From a Roth IRA Unless the Account Holder has Owned a Roth IRA for Five Full Tax Years

At first, this rule seems daunting. As written, it applies to anyone owning a Roth IRA. But in practice, it rarely has any bite. First, the rule only serves to disqualify a distribution from being a “qualified distribution.”

Here’s the thing: outside of rare circumstances (see “Two Uncommon Situations” below), anyone under age 59 ½ cannot receive a “qualified distribution” from their own Roth IRA regardless of the first five-year rule.

Thus, as a general matter, the first five-year rule is a rule that only applies to those age 59 ½ and older.

For those doubting me, I’ll prove it with two examples:

Example 1: Ernestine turns age 25 in the year 2023. In March, she made a $6,500 annual contribution to a Roth IRA for the year 2023. This is her only ever Roth IRA contribution. In 2026, when the Roth IRA is worth $8,000 and Ernestine turns age 28, Ernestine withdraws all $8,000 from the Roth IRA. The first $6,500 is a nontaxable return of the $6,500 contribution, and the remaining $1,500 is a taxable distribution of earnings subject to both ordinary income tax and the 10 percent early withdrawal penalty.

Example 2: Hortense turns age 25 in the year 2023. In March, she made a $6,500 annual contribution to a Roth IRA for the year 2023. This is her only ever Roth IRA contribution. In 2030, when the Roth IRA is worth $8,000 and Hortense turns age 32, Hortense withdraws all $8,000 from the Roth IRA. The first $6,500 is a nontaxable return of the $6,500 contribution, and the remaining $1,500 is a taxable distribution of earnings subject to both ordinary income tax and the 10 percent early withdrawal penalty.

Ernestine did not satisfy the first five-year rule, Hortense did. Notice that it did not matter! Both must pay ordinary income tax and the 10% early withdrawal penalty on the $1,500 of earnings they each received from their Roth IRA. The first five-year rule had absolutely no impact on the taxation of the withdrawal because both Roth IRA owners are under age 59 ½. This proves that outside unusual circumstances, the first five-year rule has no impact on those under age 59 ½.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Previous annual contributions to a Roth IRA can be withdrawn from a Roth IRA tax and penalty free at any time for any reason! The first five-year rule has nothing to do with withdrawals of previously made contributions. See Treas. Reg. Sec. 1.408A-6 Q&A 1(b) (previous contributions are withdrawn tax free) and Q&A 5(a) (tax free withdrawals of previous regular annual contributions are not subject to the 10% early withdrawal penalty).

So when the heck does the first five-year rule matter? Here are two examples to help us figure it out.

Example 3: Ernie turns age 58 in the year 2023. In March, he made a $7,500 annual contribution to a Roth IRA for the year 2023. This is his only ever Roth IRA contribution. In 2026, when the Roth IRA is worth $10,000 and Ernie turns age 61, Ernie withdraws all $10,000 from the Roth IRA. The first $7,500 is a nontaxable return of the $7,500 contribution, and the remaining $2,500 is a taxable distribution of earnings subject to ordinary income tax. Ernie does not pay the 10 percent early withdrawal penalty because he is over age 59 ½ when he receives the earnings.

Example 4: Harry turns age 58 in the year 2023. In March, he made a $7,500 annual contribution to a Roth IRA for the year 2023. This is his only ever Roth IRA contribution. In 2030, when the Roth IRA is worth $10,000 and Harry turns age 65, Harry withdraws all $10,000 from the Roth IRA. As Harry satisfies both the first five-year rule and is over age 59 ½, the entire $10,000 distribution is a qualified distribution and thus entirely tax and penalty free.

We’ve found where the first five-year rule matters! Generally speaking, the first-five year rule only bites when applied to a distribution of earnings if the recipient is over the age of 59 ½. Further, it only applies to subject the earnings to ordinary income tax, not the 10% early withdrawal penalty (as being age 59 ½ or older is always a valid exception to the early withdrawal penalty).

Remember, though, in most cases it is difficult to access Roth IRA earnings. Why? Because earnings come out of a Roth IRA last. Ernie’s fact pattern is rare. Many Roth IRA owners will have years of contributions and/or conversions inside their Roth IRA. As I have previously discussed, nonqualified distributions from Roth IRAs first access Roth IRA contributions and then access Roth IRA conversions before they can access a penny of earnings. See also Treas. Reg. Sec. 1.408A-6 Q&A 8 and Natalie B. Choate’s Life and Death Benefits for Retirement Planning (8th Ed. 2019), page 328.

Further, in today’s world, most (though not all) 59 ½ year old Roth IRA owners will satisfy the five-year rule. All Roth IRAs are aggregated for this purpose, so the funding (through a contribution or conversion) of any Roth IRA starts the five-year clock as of January 1st of the year for which the contribution was made. See Treas. Reg. Sec. 1.408A-6 Q&A 2.

Two Uncommon Situations: There are two uncommon situations in which a Roth IRA owner under age 59 ½ receiving a Roth IRA distribution could save the ordinary income tax by satisfying the first five-year rule. The first is the taking of an up-to $10,000 first-time home buyer distribution. See Choate, previously referenced, at page 612. The second is if the owner is disabled as defined by Section 72(m)(7). Both are rare situations. Further, in both such cases, satisfying the first five-year rule would be irrelevant if the distribution would have been a return of contributions, nontaxable conversions, and/or taxable conversions at least 5 years old.

Inherited Roth IRA Twist: The first five-year rule can affect distributions from an inherited Roth IRA. I’ve heard this referred to as the third Roth IRA five-year rule, but I view it as simply a continuation of the first five-year rule. A withdrawal of earnings by a beneficiary from an inherited Roth IRA made less than five tax years after the owner originally funded the Roth IRA is subject to ordinary income tax. See Treas. Reg. Sec. 1.408A-6 Q&A 7. These situations are quite rare.

If Anyone on Capitol Hill is Reading This . . .

The first five-year rule serves no compelling purpose, and is superfluous as applied to most taxpayers under the age of 59 ½.

Perhaps in 1997 Congress worried about quick withdrawals from Roth IRAs. Now that we fully understand that contributions and conversions come out of Roth IRAs first, and that being under age 59 ½ prevents a tax-free distribution of earnings in most cases, there’s no reason for the first five-year rule. Being age 59 ½ or older (or death, disability, or first-time home buyer) should be sufficient to receive a qualified distribution.

I recommend that Congress repeal the first five-year rule by removing Section 408A(d)(2)(B) from the Internal Revenue Code as part of retirement tax simplification.

Second Five-Year Rule: Taxable Conversions Are Subject to the Ten Percent Early Withdrawal Penalty if Withdrawn from the Roth IRA Within Five Taxable Years

This rule is much more logical than the first five-year rule. The reason has nothing to do with Roth IRAs. Rather, the reason is to protect the 10% early withdrawal penalty as applied to traditional IRAs and traditional workplace plans such as 401(k)s and 403(b)s. Without the second five-year rule, taxpayers would never pay the 10% early withdrawal penalty.

Rather, taxpayers under age 59 1/2 would simply convert any money they want to withdraw from a traditional retirement account to a Roth IRA, and then shortly thereafter withdraw the amount from the Roth IRA tax-free as a return of old contributions or of the conversion itself.

The second five-year rule prevents the total evisceration of the 10% early withdrawal penalty.

The second five-year rule applies separately to each taxable Roth conversion. Each Roth conversion that occurs during a year is deemed to occur January 1st of that year for purposes of the second five-year rule. See Treas. Reg. Sec. 1.408A-6 Q&A 5(c).

Note further that the second five-year rule has nothing to do with income tax: its bite only triggers the distribution being subject to the 10% early withdrawal penalty.

When Might the Second Roth IRA Five-Year Rule Apply

I am not too worried about the application of the second five-year rule. Here’s why.

First, the second five-year rule is not likely to apply while one is working. During the accumulation phase, many are looking to contribute to, not withdraw from, Roth IRAs.

Second, for those retiring after age 59 ½, the second five-year rule will have practically no impact, as (i) they are not likely to take pre-retirement distributions from their Roth IRA, and (ii) distributions taken from the Roth IRA by the owner after turning age 59 ½ are never subject to the 10% early withdrawal penalty.

Third, many early retirees will choose to live off taxable assets first in early retirement. As a result, many will not access Roth accounts until age 59 ½ or later, and thus the second five-year rule will not be relevant.

However, some will choose to employ a Roth Conversion Ladder strategy with respect to an early retirement. Here the second five-year rule might bite. Let’s consider a quick example:

Example 5: Josh is considering retiring in 2024 when he turns age 50. In his 30s, he qualified to make an annual Roth IRA contribution and maxed out his Roth IRA each year. In his 40s, he made income in excess of the annual MAGI limits on Roth IRA contributions, so he maxed out the Backdoor Roth IRA for each year. He plans on living on taxable assets for the first five years of retirement and then living off Roth conversion ladders from age 55 through age 59 ½. Josh has never previously taken a distribution from a Roth IRA.

Here is Josh’s Roth IRA history in table form. Thanks to Investopedia for the historic annual contribution maximums.

Year	Age	Roth IRA Contribution	Backdoor Roth IRA	Taxable Amount
2004	30	$3,000
2005	31	$4,000
2006	32	$4,000
2007	33	$4,000
2008	34	$5,000
2009	35	$5,000
2010	36	$5,000
2011	37	$5,000
2012	38	$5,000
2013	39	$5,500
2014	40		$5,502	$2
2015	41		$5,503	$3
2016	42		$5,501	$1
2017	43		$5,502	$2
2018	44		$5,501	$1
2019	45		$6,001	$1
2020	46		$6,002	$2
2021	47		$6,002	$2
2022	48		$6,001	$1
2023	49		$6,004	$4

If Josh started withdrawing from his Roth IRA in 2024, he would first withdraw all $45,500 of previous annual contributions (all tax and penalty free) and then withdraw all $33,510 of his 2014 through 2019 Backdoor Roth IRAs (all tax and penalty free) before he could take a distribution with respect to which the second five-year rule could bite.

Note that for withdrawals of up to $79,010, it is irrelevant that Josh does not satisfy the second five-year rule with respect to the 2020 through 2023 Backdoor Roth IRAs. Josh can withdraw up to $79,010 entirely tax and penalty free in 2024. Perhaps the second five-year rule’s bark is worse than its bite . . .

If, in 2024, Josh withdraws both of the above listed amounts from his Roth IRA, then yes, the next $2 of withdrawals in 2024 would be from the $2 taxable amount of his 2020 Backdoor Roth IRA, which would be subject to the 10% early withdrawal penalty ($0.20) under the second five-year rule.

In Josh’s extreme example, the second five-year rule bites, but, as you can see, it barely bites!

As an aside, assuming Josh continues to withdraw money from his Roth IRA in 2024, the next $6,000 is a tax and penalty free return of the non-taxable portion of his 2020 Backdoor Roth IRA! See Treas. Reg. Sec. 1.408A-6 Q&A 8. The generosity of the Roth IRA nonqualified distribution rules is, by itself, a reason not to sweat the two Roth IRA five-year clocks too much.

Assuming Josh follows through with his plan and waits until age 55 (the year 2029) to start withdrawing from his Roth IRA, he can access all of his 30s Roth IRA annual contributions ($45,500), all of his 40s Backdoor Roth IRAs ($57,519), and whatever amount he converted to his Roth IRA in 2024 tax and penalty free in 2029! After that, however, the second five-year rule will bite ten cents on the dollar for amounts additionally distributed in 2029, since amounts converted in 2025 or later would still be subject to the second five-year rule if distributed in 2029.

In Josh’s early retirement example, assuming Josh takes no distributions from his Roth IRA until age 55, the second five-year rule can only possibly bite from age 55 to 59 ½, and even then, the combination of years of built up Roth basis and affirmative planning make that possibility at least somewhat remote.

Don’t over think it: If the owner of a Roth IRA is 59 1/2 years old or older, and has owned a Roth IRA for at least 5 years, all distributions they receive from a Roth IRA are qualified distributions and thus fully tax and penalty free. In such circumstances, the 5-year clocks are entirely irrelevant.

Conclusion

It’s perfectly cromulent to proceed with financial planning without too much worry about the two Roth IRA five-year rules. For personal finance nerds (myself included), the two Roth IRA five-year clocks can be fun to dive into. But from a practical standpoint, they rarely impact the taxation of distributions from Roth IRAs. The two five-year clocks are best understood as sporadically applicable exceptions to the general rule that most nonqualified distributions from Roth IRAs are tax and penalty free.

Saving Social Security and Medicare

America has a retirement savings problem. To varying degrees, Social Security and Medicare support retirees. Other than for the very wealthy, a significant diminution in either program would materially hurt retirees.

Most can agree with a simple proposition: over the long term, there are fiscal holes in Social Security and Medicare.

I have seven proposals to address the problem. These proposals won’t solve funding problems for all time, but will move the needle significantly towards securing Social Security and Medicare. All the tax related proposals tax those who have benefited the most from the American economy and a very favorable investment tax climate.

Before I get started, I would like to encourage the reader to endeavor to reduce his or her dependence on these programs by building up their own retirement assets and/or income streams. That said, as a practical matter both Social Security and Medicare are very important to the retirements of the vast majority of Americans.

Who Pays to Save Social Security and Medicare?

PROPOSAL ONE: No changes to the Social Security and Medicare eligibility ages.

Some propose to increase the eligibility age for Medicare and/or Social Security full retirement age.

I believe that to be a horrible idea, for a myriad of reasons. Over the long term, there are fiscal holes in Social Security and Medicare. By definition, someone in the world must pay for those holes. If we eliminate more outlandish possibilities such as billing invading extraterrestrials and foreign plunder, most of the cost must be made up by some cohort or cohorts of Americans. Raising the eligibility ages to fix the holes simply decides that Americans in their mid-to-late 60s of all income and wealth levels are the cohort of Americans who must pay for those holes.

But why? Are 60-somethings particularly well off compared to other cohorts? I don’t believe they are, and many in their mid-to-late 60s are far worse off than the average American citizen.

I’m not the only commentator to oppose increasing Social Security eligibility ages.

My three tax proposals below are hardly perfect. But at least they put the onus on filling the holes on those who (i) have benefited most from the recent American economy and (ii) have most benefited from America’s very favorable investment and endowment tax environment. Why shouldn’t the people who have benefited the most, and would be harmed by tax increases the least, fix the Social Security and Medicare holes?

Further, my three tax proposals have a significant advantage over delaying eligibility ages. Delaying eligibility ages is a delayed fix! If enacted in 2023, my three proposals go to work (in full!) on January 1, 2024.

Any delay of the eligibility age will likely be at least somewhat delayed. No politician is going to vote to raise a 66 year old’s Social Security full retirement age overnight from age 67 to age 70. There’s zero chance of that. That’s demonstrated by this proposal, which proposes to increase Social Security eligibility ages by 3 years and admits that the proposal would not save money for at least 10 years!

Would you be happy if you called a plumber to fix a leak in your sink and he responded, “Sure, happy to help, I’ll swing on by in 10 years.” No!

Further, I am not going to advocate for a politically untenable solution, and I wouldn’t recommend any politician do so either. There are plenty of solutions that can be implemented short of solutions that are guaranteed to be wildly unpopular with the electorate.

One piece of evidence demonstrates just how unpopular cutting Social Security and Medicare are. A recent Axios-Ipsos poll (see the bottom of page 9) found that Americans generally oppose Social Security and Medicare cuts by a 7 to 2 margin. Any highly unpopular solution will ultimately be counterproductive.

A group of Republican Congressmen argue Social Security eligibility ages should be increased in the future to account for increased life expectancy (see the bottom of page 88 of this file). I believe their argument is mistaken for two reasons. First, some increases in life expectancy are attributable to diminished infant mortality instead of increased lifespan in old age. Second, in 2020 and 2021, American life expectancy decreased.

PROPOSAL TWO: No Increase to the FICA Tax Rates (Employee and Employer)

Historically, there have been many payroll tax increases to fund Social Security and Medicare. I believe, in today’s economy, a simple payroll tax rate increase would be unfair and would hurt many Americans who have not benefited from the surge in financial markets the way the affluent have. In a world where working class workers have not experienced real significant salary increases in decades, while the stock market has soared over several decades, we can’t simply increase payroll taxes on everyone and call it fair.

Further, it might be tempting to only increase the payroll tax rates paid by employers. But this runs into two big problems. First, it’s a tax on job creation. I, for one, want employers of all sizes creating more jobs in the United States. Increasing the tax rates employers pay for Social Security and Medicare increases incentives to offshore jobs and shifts towards automation. Count me against that.

Second, increasing employer tax rates is a tax hike on the self-employed. The self-employed face many challenges. They are not a cohort that should shoulder the burden of closing the fiscal holes in Social Security and Medicare.

Tax Increases to Save Social Security and Medicare

PROPOSAL THREE: Increase the additional Medicare tax on earned income from 0.9% to 2.0% Use half the tax (1.0%) fund Medicare and half the tax (1.0%) fund Social Security.

PROPOSAL FOUR: Increase the Medicare surtax on net investment income from 3.8% to 5.0%. Use the increase (1.2%) to fund Social Security.

These two proposals have several advantages. They incrementally increase taxes on the most successful in America in order to close the shortfalls in Social Security and Medicare. They are not taxes on employers hiring more employees, so they do not discourage hiring. Further, these two tax proposals leverage off existing taxes such that implementation of the proposals should be relatively easy.

PROPOSAL FIVE: Impose a new 25% excise tax on net investment income of college endowments with $1 billion or more in assets as of year end.

This new tax would replace the tiny 1.4% excise tax on some college endowments enacted as part of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) in 2018.

Congress can allocate tax collections between Social Security and Medicare as they best see fit.

Once subject to the tax, a college endowment would be subject to it going forward until the endowment can demonstrate its year-end assets have been under $750 million for three consecutive years.

Net investment income for this purpose would be the endowment’s Section 1411(c)(1)(A) income, less the following limited expenses: salaries and benefits for employees primarily working for the endowment (limited to $20,000 per month per employee), endowment tax return preparation fees, endowment legal fees, office supplies and equipment (printers, copiers, scanners, etc.) for the endowment, and computer software for the endowment (limited to $1 million per year). Capital gains and capital losses would be netted and no net capital loss could be taken, though any net capital loss would carry forward without limit to subsequent years.

As the excise tax taxes endowments of financial assets, dorms, classrooms, and other buildings used by the university in their educational mission would not be endowment assets for purposes of the new excise tax.

Estimated payments would be due the same dates as individual estimates are due (and the same underpayment penalties would apply), and the net investment income of any controlled endowment entity (domestic or foreign) would also be included in the endowment’s net investment income.

These tax-free hoards have enjoyed incredibly favored treatment long enough. Some of these endowments now exceed $1 million per student, more than enough to fund many students without collecting a dollar of tuition.

Most colleges do not pay income tax on tuition and donations received. I don’t propose to change that, but it’s time these colleges, which mostly serve a select privileged few, pay a significant tax on their investment income. Considering these endowments are worth vast sums of money, that tax should be equal to the rate paid by highest income individuals on long term capital gains, 25% (20% long term capital gain rate plus 5% net investment income tax under my proposal).

You might think this is unfair to colleges. But let’s imagine we were tasked with creating the entire U.S. federal tax system from scratch. If I proposed to subject waiters and factory workers to both income taxes and payroll taxes on their entire salary, while exempting colleges from taxation on tuition collected and donations received, and then added a 25% net investment income tax on large endowments, you’d probably say “Wow, you’re being unfair to waiters and factory workers and too generous to colleges.”

I don’t propose a revolution in tax policy, but rather a fair, equitable, and incremental tax change that increases the tax burden on those most able to bear it in order to combat funding shortfalls in Social Security and Medicare.

Stabilizing The Federal Government’s Finances

PROPOSAL SIX: Significant reductions in military and foreign spending

Practically all Americans reading this are owed Social Security and/or Medicare benefits! That makes you a creditor of the U.S. government.

Your creditor’s financial health matters to you. It’s time your creditor got its house in order. Your creditor’s house is not in order for many reasons, including spending that is consistent with neither the founding nor the history of our great republic.

Incredibly enough, the United States has nearly three times as many foreign military bases as it has embassies. It’s time to ditch the bases and bring the troops home for many reasons. Having so many military and other government personnel overseas is contrary to the great history of our republic. As John Quincy Adams said, “America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy.” Today’s historically out-of-whack military and foreign spending is destabilizing the government’s finances. It’s time to cut military and foreign spending significantly and redeploy that money to reduce the deficit and secure the financial stability of the federal government.

A financially stable government is much more likely to be able to successfully meet its Social Security and Medicare obligations.

Some might argue that neither our current level of military spending nor Social Security and Medicare are consistent with the founding and history of our country, so shouldn’t both be cut? Jeffrey Sachs has observed that there is some popular support for cutting America’s foreign military involvement. On the other hand, there is very little appetite among the electorate for reductions to Social Security and Medicare. There’s no reason to consider wildly unpopular options when there are much more popular options on the table.

Self-Help

PROPOSAL SEVEN: Change Your Health

Not every change to improve the Social Security and Medicare system needs to come from Congress.

Over the years I have become more and more convinced that almost everything we learned about health and nutrition is wrong. It is time for each of us to radically take charge of our own healthcare. We need to do this regardless of the fiscal state of Social Security and Medicare. But my hope is this shift will reduce spending on Medicare.

I have seen my health improve by focusing on eating high quality animal fats and proteins, avoiding seed oils (which are very new in human history), and dramatically reducing sugar consumption. One reason I continue with that focus is that, as discussed by Doctors Ken Berry and Lisa Wiedeman, sugar feeds cancer! See also Dr. Ken Berry discussing this further. Avoiding certain foods can dramatically improve health outcomes and reduce medical spending (including Medicare spending).

My hope is that more and more Americans will become aware of the role of diet in health, and that will, over time, reduce long term medical expenses, including the expenses paid for by Medicare. Eventually, this renewed health will hopefully lead to longer life spans and increase future Social Security payments. If this happens, it hurts Social Security many years in the future. That much delayed good problem to have will hopefully be more than compensated for by earlier (and hopefully permanent) reductions in Medicare costs.

Conclusion

As the federal government racks up more and more debt, and the clock ticks towards financial peril for both Social Security and Medicare, it’s time to take action to preserve and protect these programs.

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Sean on the Catching Up to FI Podcast

Listen as I talk tax with Becky Heptig and Bill Yount on the Catching Up to FI podcast.

You can access the podcast on Apple Podcasts.

We discuss tax planning for financial independence, particularly planning for those catching up later in their careers.

The show notes include references to the following FI Tax Guy blog posts.

The Advantages of Living on Taxable Assets First in Early Retirement

TikTok Tax Advice

Early Retirement and Social Security

HSAs and Las Vegas

This post, and the above mentioned podcast episode, are for entertainment and educational purposes only. They do not constitute accounting, financial, investment, legal, or tax advice. Please consult with your advisor(s) regarding your personal accounting, financial, investment, legal, and tax matters. Please also refer to the Disclaimer & Warning section found here.

Inherited Health Savings Accounts

Folks love health savings accounts, and why not? A tax deduction or exclusion on the way in, tax-free growth, and then tax-free withdrawals when used for qualified medical expenses or reimbursements of qualified medical expenses.

Tastes great and less filling!

Considering the HSA is less than 20 years old (as of this writing) and contribution limits are relatively modest, inherited HSAs have not been much of an issue in the personal finance world. I suspect that will soon change, as HSAs and their account owners age and HSA balances grow.

HSA Planning

There is something very fundamental one must keep in mind: planning for traditional retirement accounts and Roth retirement accounts is two sided. There is planning that owners should do for those retirement accounts prior to death and there is planning that inheriting beneficiaries should do after the owner’s death.

HSA planning, as you will see below, is mostly prior to the owner’s death. Other than a spouse, anyone else inheriting an HSA has relatively few planning opportunities.

Spousal Beneficiaries

The tax rules generally favor spousal beneficiaries, and the world of HSAs is no different. Section 223(f)(8)(A) has a very specific rule that changes the HSA account owner to the spouse as of death. This means the continuation of HSA account status, and thus continued tax free growth and future tax free withdrawals for payments of qualified medical expenses and for payments of previously unreimbursed qualified medical expenses (what I refer to as PUQME, pronounced “puck-me”).

As Notice 2004-50 Q&A 39 makes clear, there is no time limit on PUQME reimbursement. Thus, inheriting spouses should, generally speaking, be able to reimburse themselves for built up PUQME unaffected by their spouse’s death. For example, the surviving spouse should be able to reimburse him/herself tax and penalty free from the HSA for medical expenses of the decedent spouse incurred on their deathbed.

Obviously, HSA tax-free carryover treatment is very favorable. It is difficult to imagine circumstances where a married HSA owner would want to name anyone other than their spouse as the 100 percent primary beneficiary of their HSA. In theory, leaving an HSA to a charity at the first spouse’s death could be neutral when compared to leaving to the surviving spouse, if the couple is both very affluent and charitably inclined. Even then, it’s hard to see much of a drawback to naming the spouse as the primary beneficiary.

Other Individuals

Section 223(f)(8)(B) has some bad news for an individual, other than the surviving spouse, inheriting an HSA. Sure, they get the assets in the HSA. But, (i) the account loses its status as an HSA, and (ii) even worse, the entire amount of the HSA is included in the recipient’s taxable income in the year of the original owner’s death.

This is the hidden HSA death tax. As the HSA is under 20 years old, and frequently owed by younger people, the issue of the hidden HSA death tax has not come to the forefront of the personal finance space. To my mind, this is a lurking issue that many aren’t aware of.

The tax hit from an HSA inheritance could be quite significant. Here is one theoretical example.

Jack and Meghan are married, both age 51 in 2023, file joint, and claim the standard deduction. Planning on having an AGI of approximately $155K for 2023, they each contributed $7,500 to a Roth IRA for 2023 on January 2, 2023. They have one child in college and thus plan on getting a $2,500 AOTC tax credit for tuition paid.

On September 2, 2023, Meghan’s widowed father died and left his HSA, worth $75K, to Meghan. As a result, their AGI increases by $75K. On March 1, 2024, informed by their tax return preparer they did not qualify to make the Roth IRA contributions, they withdrew the contributions and the earnings attributable to the contributions ($750 each based on 10 percent growth). They also lose the ability to claim a credit for the college tuition they paid.

Here’s the tax consequences of Meghan inheriting the HSA.

Item	W/o HSA Inheritance	With HSA Inheritance
Ordinary Income (Initial)	$153,000	$153,000
Qualified Dividend Income	$2,000	$2,000
AGI (Initial)	$155,000	$155,000
HSA Inheritance	$0	$75,000
Roth IRA Earnings	$0	$1,500
AGI	$155,000	$231,500
Standard Deduction	$27,700	$27,700
Taxable Income	$127,300	$203,800
Tentative Tax	$18,481	$35,572
AOTC	$2,500	$0
Federal Income Tax	$15,981	$35,572
Federal Tax Increase	$0	$19,591
Effective Rate on AGI	10.31%	15.37%

The tax hit on inheriting the HSA is almost $20,000! Jack and Meghan pay more federal income tax on inheriting the HSA than they do on the rest of their income! Further, because tax benefits such as being able to contribute to a Roth IRA and AOTC qualification are based on MAGI, and inherited HSA income increases MAGI, Jack and Meghan (i) lost their 2023 AOTC and (ii) had to withdraw $15,000 in 2023 Roth IRA contributions and the related earnings.

Deduction Planning: Yes, Jack and Meghan could potentially tax loss harvest (getting a current deduction of up to $3,000) and/or increase contributions to charities and/or donor advised funds to itemize their deductions in a year they are now in the 24% bracket. This planning is only marginally helpful (particularly in a high standard deduction world) and does not lower their MAGI sufficient to still qualify for the AOTC and to make most of the annual Roth IRA contributions. Further, if Meghan inherited the HSA late in the year, there may not be enough time to execute such planning.

Inherited HSA Tax Exception

There is a narrow exception to full income inclusion. The inheriting non-spouse beneficiary can reduce the inherited HSA income inclusion by the amount of medical expenses incurred by the original owner prior to death and paid by the inheriting beneficiary in the year after the death.

The Estate

In theory, an HSA could be left to the estate of the HSA owner if (i) the owner elected such treatment on the beneficiary designation form or (ii) they failed to file a beneficiary designation form with the HSA provider.

The original owner’s final income tax return must include the fair market value of the HSA in taxable income if the HSA is left to the estate. See IRS Publication 969, page 10.

Obviously, this is not a great result. In theory, if the owner is low income and the ultimate intended beneficiary is high income, one might want to name their estate as the beneficiary of the HSA. Considering that the are planning alternatives that can avoid anyone paying income tax on an HSA, this is not likely to be a good “go-to” planning option.

Charitable Beneficiaries

Many HSA owners are at least somewhat charitably inclined. The inherited HSA rules present a planning opportunity: leave HSA balances to charity if the HSA owner is not married. Charities pay no income tax when inheriting an HSA.

As discussed above, the optimal planning for a charitably inclined married couple is likely to be to name the spouse as the primary beneficiary. Only after the death of the first spouse would the primary beneficiary be changed to the charity.

Note that HSA owners should discuss naming a charity or charities as a primary or secondary beneficiary with their HSA account provider.

Later In Life HSA Planning

What could Meghan’s widowed father have done to avoid costing his daughter and son-in-law almost $20,000 in federal income taxes?

First, strong consideration should be given to bailing out HSAs during old age, particularly if the HSA owner is not married. HSAs will not be too difficult to deplete tax and penalty free. Reimbursements of PUQME can access thousands of dollars of old qualified medical expenses, and the elderly will have plenty of new qualified medical expenses, including final medical expenses of deceased spouses. Further, Medicare Parts B and D premiums qualify as qualified medical expenses, so even the healthy elderly should be able to reimburse themselves tax-free from their HSA annually for some qualified medical expenses.

Had Meghan’s father reimbursed himself tax-free for PUQME instead of leaving the money inside the HSA, Meghan could have inherited the money (now in a taxable account) income tax free.

Second, Meghan’s widowed father could have named a charity as the primary beneficiary on the HSA, and left taxable brokerage accounts, Roth retirement accounts, and even traditional retirement accounts to Meghan. Even the traditional retirement accounts would not have either created no taxable income to Meghan in 2023, or, at worst, would have required Meghan to take the RMD her father was required to take in 2023 (if her father died before taking it).

I recently wrote about strategic planning in this regard. If one is not married, accounts such as Roth IRAs and taxable brokerage accounts are great to leave to individual beneficiaries. HSAs are great for unmarried people to leave to a charity if one is charitably inclined.

Conclusion

HSAs are arguably the most tax favored accounts during one’s lifetime. This remains true when passing an HSA to a spouse. However, the tax advantage of an HSA can turn into a tax bomb if left to a non-spouse. I refer to this as the hidden HSA death tax.

Planning to avoid the hidden HSA death tax includes taking reimbursements of PUQME from the HSA later in life and/or naming a charity as the primary beneficiary on an HSA if the owner is not married.

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Inherited Roth IRAs

Inherit a Roth IRA in 2023 or later? Thinking about leaving a Roth IRA to heirs at your death? Then this article is for you. Note that it is an educational resource. It is not advice for any individual’s particular situation. Further, this article does not address situations where a person inherited a Roth IRA prior to the year 2023.

Inheriting a Roth IRA is great, since distributions are always penalty free and tax-free 99.99% of the time. The only time a distribution from a non-spousal inherited Roth IRA could be subject to income tax is if the distribution is a distribution earnings from the Roth IRA prior to the passage of 5 years from January 1st of the year the original owner first contributed to a Roth IRA. See Treas. Reg. Section 1.408A-6 Q&A 1(b). As a practical matter, few distributions from inherited Roth IRAs will be both (i) earnings of the inherited Roth IRA and (ii) made prior to the end of the five year clock.

Said differently, both the original owner and the beneficiary would have to be incredibly unlucky in order for a beneficiary to pay federal income tax on an inherited Roth IRA distribution.

In theory, a spouse inheriting a Roth IRA could pay tax and/or a penalty on distributions from an inherited Roth IRA the spouse treated as their own, but even that occurrence is likely to be rare, as discussed in more detail below.

Terminology and Titling

One inheriting a Roth IRA is a beneficiary. Yes, that inherited Roth IRA is now your property, but you are not the “owner” from a tax perspective. The original owner is the owner. You, the inheritor, are the beneficiary. If you die, the person inheriting the Roth IRA you inherited is a successor beneficiary.

Upon the owner’s death, the beneficiary should work with the Roth IRA’s financial institution to retitle the Roth IRA. The titling should indicate that the beneficiary is a beneficiary and should reference the owner.

The above two paragraphs are not the case as applied to spouses who choose to treat an inherited Roth IRA as their own. In that case, the inheriting spouse becomes the owner, not the beneficiary.

Types of Beneficiaries

To my mind, there are generally seven types of Roth IRA beneficiaries. Below, I use my own colloquialisms for each. You will not find the term “10-year beneficiary” in the Internal Revenue Code or the IRS website, for example. Rather, it is simply a term I colloquially use to refer to a particular type of inherited Roth IRA beneficiary.

To understand what happens when one inherits a Roth IRA, one must first understand what type of beneficiary they are among the below seven categories.

Watch me discuss Inherited Roth IRAs on YouTube.

Spouses

Spouses are generally favored inherited Roth IRA beneficiaries from a tax planning perspective. Married individuals should think long and hard prior to naming someone other than their spouse as their Roth IRA primary beneficiary for many reasons, including tax planning.

There are three options a spouse has when inheriting a Roth IRA. Two of those options entail the inherited IRA being treated as the inheriting spouse’s own Roth IRA. This is usually advantageous for several reasons, including the fact that an owner is never subject to required minimum distributions (“RMDs”) with respect to their own Roth IRA. Practically speaking, this is how most inherited Roth IRAs are handled by spouses.

SECURE 2.0 added a new fourth option for spouses to be treated as the deceased spouse when inheriting a retirement account. This change appears to matter as applied to RMDs, which the Roth IRA never has for an owner. Thus, I do not believe this change impacts spouses inheriting Roth IRAs to any significant degree.

The inheriting spouse could treat the inherited Roth IRA as an inherited account (i.e., become a beneficiary instead of being the owner). Practically speaking, an inheriting spouse would only consider this if they are under 59 ½ years old and they believe it is likely they would need to access earnings in their Roth IRAs (including the inherited accounts) prior to age 59 ½.

Considering a spouse treating an inherited Roth IRA as their own can recover their own and their decedent spouse’s Roth IRA contributions and 5 year-old conversions tax and penalty free at any time and recovers these amounts before Roth earnings are ever accessed, most inheriting spouses will not need to elect inherited Roth IRA (i.e., beneficiary) treatment. This may be true even in situations where the inheriting spouse is under 59 ½ years old and needs access to some of the inherited Roth IRA funds prior to age 59 ½. Further, treating the inherited Roth IRA as one’s own Roth IRA instead of keeping it as an inherited IRA will generally be advantageous from a creditor protection standpoint.

One potential planning option for the spouse is to roll the decedent spouse’s Roth IRA to an inherited Roth IRA and later (presumably at age 59 ½) roll it into their own Roth IRA. See Choate, referenced below, page 225. This offers the inheriting spouse protection as it allows him or her to access Roth earnings tax-free prior to the spouse turning age 59 ½ and then later avoids RMDs to the spouse (see discussion of that possibility below).

In Proposal 10 of my retirement tax reform proposal, I offer suggestions to simplify the treatment when spouses inherit retirement accounts.

RMD Beneficiaries

The SECURE Act set up a new standard to be an RMD beneficiary (what the SECURE Act termed an “eligible designated beneficiary”). Some practitioners use the term “EDB” for these beneficiaries, but I prefer the term “RMD beneficiary” because these are the beneficiaries that are allowed to (i) avoid the new 10-year rule discussed below and (ii) withdraw from the inherited Roth IRA RMDs based on their own remaining life expectancy.

Who qualifies as an RMD beneficiary? These include:

A spouse electing to treat the inherited Roth IRA as an inherited Roth IRA
Any individual not more than 10 years younger than the owner (think parents and adult siblings, but it can be others)
Anyone chronically ill or disabled

An RMD beneficiary must start taking RMDs from the inherited IRA in the year after the owner died. He or she goes to the IRS Single Life Table and finds the factor for their age in the year following the owner’s death. The RMD for that first year is the prior-year end-of-year account balance divided by that factor. The following year’s RMD is the prior-year end-of-year account balance divided by the first year’s factor minus one. See Choate, referenced below, at pages 67-68 and 73-74. Here’s an example of how it works.

Jack died on December 1, 2023. He was 65 at his passing. He leaves his Roth IRA to his brother Jim. In 2024, Jim turns 62. Jim is an RMD beneficiary and should* take an RMD based on his IRS Single Life Table factor at age 62, 25.4. If the inherited Roth IRA balance on December 31, 2023 is $500,000, Jim’s 2024 inherited Roth IRA RMD is $19,685.04 ($500,000 divided by 25.4). If the balance in the inherited Roth IRA is $510,000 on December 31, 2024, Jim’s 2025 RMD is $20,901.65 ($510,000 divided by 24.4). Jim takes annual RMDs in a similar fashion in subsequent years.

As Natalie Choate notes in her treatise referenced below (see page 74), Jim only looks at the IRS Single Life Table once: for the first RMD year. After that, he simply subtracts 1 from the factor every year. Thus, those using the Single Life Table only look at it a single time.

*Note that an RMD beneficiary can, instead of taking RMDs, elect the 10-year rule discussed below. See Choate supplement, page 12, Andy Ives at IRAHelp.com, and Ian Berger at IRAHelp.com. In many cases, I suspect taking relatively modest tax-free RMDs will facilitate more tax-free growth than avoiding RMDs and emptying the inherited Roth IRA within 10 years. This is because taking RMDs allows a large portion of the inherited Roth IRA to survive well beyond 10 years in cases where the beneficiary is not themselves rather elderly. That said, the older the beneficiary is, the more likely electing into the 10-year rule is to be advantageous. It is not clear how the beneficiary makes the election (see Choate supplement, page 50), though presumably failing to take RMDs would do it.

Spouses electing beneficiary treatment (which is RMD beneficiary treatment in their case) are generally not required to take the annual RMD until the later of (i) the year after the decedent spouse’s death or (ii) the year the decedent spouse would have reached age 72. See Choate, referenced below, page 97, Prop. Reg. Section 1.401(a)(9)-3(d) on page 109 of this PDF file (also see Prop. Reg. Section 1.408-8(b)(2)(ii) on page 253 of the PDF file).

Successor Beneficiaries

Successor beneficiaries of RMD beneficiaries must, in most cases, empty the inherited Roth IRA by the end of the 10th calendar year following the RMD beneficiary’s death. See Natalie Choate supplement page 43 and Prop. Reg. Section 1.401(a)(9)-5(e)(3) on page 142 of this PDF file. Update August 4, 2023: In addition to being subject to the 10-year rule, the successor beneficiary must continue to take the annual RMDs the RMD beneficiary would have been required to take had they lived. See Natalie Choate supplement page 51.

Update July 10, 2023: Sarah Brenner of IRAHelp.com raises an interesting possibility. What if the RMD beneficiary elects the 10-year rule? If that happens, the successor beneficiary must empty the inherited Roth IRA by the end of the 10th year after the original owner’s death!

Minor Children of the Owner

If a minor child of the owner inherits a Roth IRA, he or she gets to take RMDs for all the years through the year he or she turns 21. Then the inherited Roth IRA must be emptied by the end of the 10th calendar year following the beneficiary turning age 21. See Prop. Reg. Section 1.401(a)(9)-5(e)(4) on pages 142-43 of this PDF file. Update September 11, 2023: the minor child starting the RMDs prior to turning age 21 triggers RMDs during the later 10-year period.

This treatment is quite favorable considering the relatively low RMDs during one’s youth, as the RMD is based on their relatively long life expectancy.

The only children qualifying for this treatment are the children of the owner. Grandchildren, nieces, nephews, etc. will not qualify, and in most cases will be 10-year beneficiaries. These children could qualify for RMD beneficiary treatment if they are chronically ill or disabled.

Note that technically minor children of the owner qualify as “eligible designated beneficiaries” but since the treatment they receive is, to my mind, quite different from the treatment RMD beneficiaries receive, I mentally carve them out as their own distinct category.

Successor Beneficiaries

Natalie Choate observes on page 43 of her supplement that in the case of a minor-child RMD beneficiary, the successor beneficiary must empty the account by the earlier of (i) the end of the 10th full year following the minor-child’s death or (ii) the end of the 10th full year following the former minor child turning age 21. Update August 4, 2023: If the minor-child beneficiary dies while collecting RMDs, it appears the successor beneficiary would also be subject to annual RMDs using the decedent minor-child’s life expectancy during the 10-year time frame.

10-year Beneficiaries

10-year beneficiaries are those individuals who are not spouses, minor children of the owner, and RMD beneficiaries. They are everyone else. From a practical perspective, most 10-year beneficiaries are the adult children of the owner.

10-year beneficiaries are not subject to RMDs. However, they must empty the inherited Roth IRA by the end of the 10th year following death. From a purely tax planning perspective, the beneficiary will want to leave the money inside the inherited Roth IRA and withdraw the money in December of the 10th full year following the owner’s death to get as much tax-free growth out of the inherited Roth IRA as possible. Of course, distributions prior to the end of the 10th year are permitted, and, as discussed above, should be tax-free in practically all cases.

Successor Beneficiaries

Successor beneficiaries of 10-year beneficiaries must empty the inherited Roth IRA by the end of the 10th calendar year following the owner’s death. See Prop. Reg. Section 1.401(a)(9)-5(e)(2) on page 142 of this PDF file. Thus, the death of a 10-year beneficiary does not extend the time to empty an inherited Roth IRA.

Estates

A pulse is worth at least 5 years of tax-free growth!

Roth IRAs can be left to one’s own estate, but generally speaking, they should not be. In order to qualify for the 10-year rule or better treatment (see the first four categories of beneficiaries), the beneficiary designation form must leave the Roth IRA to a human being. Estates can become the Roth IRA beneficiary if no beneficiary designation form is filed, or if the filed beneficiary designation form names the estate as the beneficiary. When an estate inherits a Roth IRA, the inherited Roth IRA is subject to a 5-year payout rule. See Choate, referenced below, pages 77 and 104.

If left to one’s estate, the Roth IRA must be paid out by the end of the fifth full calendar year following death. See Choate supplement page 100. This is true even if the estate will ultimately pay the money out to actual humans who could have, on their own, qualified as 10-year beneficiaries, RMD beneficiaries, and/or spousal beneficiaries.

Trusts

If you want to see some tax complexity, look at inherited retirement accounts and trusts. Trusts themselves often have human beneficiaries, but the trust mechanism is used to protect the beneficiary and/or the assets inside the trust. There are valid reasons to name a trust as a retirement account beneficiary (usually surrounding the nature of the potential beneficiaries), but naming a trust should not be done lightly.

The tax risk is that the inherited Roth IRA will be subject to the 5-year rule. Properly structured (including the provisions required by Treas. Reg. Sec. 1.401(a)(9)-4 Q&A 5(b)), the human beneficiaries of the trust can qualify for the applicable treatment offered by one of the first four categories of beneficiary. However, if the trust is not properly structured, the trust and the human beneficiaries of the trust will be subject to the 5-year rule and lose out on 5 or more years of tax-free growth.

Charities

A charity must take an inherited Roth IRA in 5 years, but it does not care, as it is not generally subject to income tax. From a planning perspective, Roth IRAs are the assets that are least advantageous to leave to charity. Your human heirs like to inherit Roth accounts and generally would prefer to inherit a Roth over an account such as a traditional IRA or a HSA. Here’s an example of how that could play out.

Walter, age 80, is a widow and has one adult son, Paul, age 50. Walter has the following assets:

*Asset Location*	*Amount*
Roth IRA	$100,000
Taxable Brokerage	$100,000
Traditional IRA	$50,000
HSA	$50,000
*Total*	*$300,000*

Walter intends on leaving two-thirds of his assets to Paul and one-third of his assets to his Catholic parish, a 501(c)(3) charitable organization. From Paul’s perspective, he’d prefer to inherit the $100,000 Roth IRA (10 more years of tax-free growth, no income tax and full step up in basis when the assets are distributed to him) and $100,000 taxable brokerage (no income tax and full step up in basis). Paul would prefer that the $100,000 left to the parish be the $50,000 traditional IRA (which would be taxable to Paul through RMDs and the 10-year rule) and the $50,000 HSA (which is immediately fully taxable to Paul in the year of Walter’s death if Paul inherits).

Why waste the Roth’s step-up in basis, tax-free treatment, and 10 years of additional tax-free growth on a charity when you can give the charity assets that are otherwise less favorable to the human beneficiary (the traditional IRA and the HSA)?

Planning

For Owners

Retirement account owners may want to think about inter-generational planning, for two reasons. First, if the owner is in a relatively low marginal tax bracket, and their beneficiaries (perhaps successful adult children) are in relatively high marginal tax brackets, they may want to think about Roth conversions during their lifetimes to move money from traditional retirement accounts to Roth IRAs. This can reduce the income tax paid with respect to the traditional retirement accounts. Second, it eliminates the chance that adult children could be subject to both the 10-year rule and to RMDs (see this article for more details).

Any planning in this regard should consider that tax planning for one’s adult children is a second order planning priority. The first planning priority should be the financial success of the retirement account owner. His or her financial success should be prioritized ahead of tax planning geared toward a better result for one’s adult children.

For Beneficiaries

Generally speaking, beneficiaries and successor beneficiaries will want to leave funds inside an inherited Roth IRA for as long as possible. For many in a SECURE Act world, that will be 10 years following the end of the year of death. Here’s a quick example of how that works: Joe dies on August 1, 2023. His 10-year beneficiary has until the end of the 10th year following his death, December 31, 2033, to empty the Roth IRA he inherits from Joe.

Of course, tax is just one consideration. If the money is needed sooner than that, at least the beneficiary knows that the distribution is tax-free in all but the rarest of situations.

As discussed above, beneficiaries should understand how long the owner had any Roth IRA. Once the beneficiary is sure 5 years have passed since January 1st of the year of the original owner’s first contribution, he or she can take Roth earnings out of the inherited Roth IRA and know that it is tax free. Even if the Roth IRA is less than 5 years old, the beneficiary can take old contributions and conversions tax free. Such amounts come out first under the ordering rules prior to the removal of any earnings.

SECURE 2.0 529-to-Roth IRA Rollovers

Below I’ll discuss the ins and outs of the new SECURE 2.0 529-to-Roth IRA rollover provision. While an understanding of the details is great, the more important issue is this: does this new rule fundamentally change financial decision making and planning?

UPDATE 1 March 1, 2024: There are now significant doubts as to the validity of SECURE 2.0, including the 529-to-Roth IRA rollover provision. See my YouTube video on a very important court decision that puts SECURE 2.0 on very shaky ground (though it is still the law of the land as of March 1, 2024).

UPDATE 2 March 1, 2024: As of now, the IRS and Treasury have not issued significant guidance on the 529-to-Roth IRA Rollover. Thus, many questions remain on how it works.

529-to-Roth IRA Rollover Introduction

SECURE 2.0 has a special rule (see Section 126 on page 2161), first effective in 2024, allowing a tax-free transfer of money inside a 529 to a Roth IRA. This provision has been met with some unbridled enthusiasm that, to my mind, should be scaled back.

Before we get started, it’s important to note that (i) this is a very new rule and (ii) at any time the IRS and Treasury could issue guidance concerning this new rule. For both those reasons, everything discussed in this post is subject to change.

The above said, let’s discuss the parameters of this new rule, adding in the context of the already existing Section 529 rules.

First, consider the statutory definition of a 529. From Section 529(b)(1)(A)(ii): an account which is established for the purpose of meeting the qualified higher education expenses of the designated beneficiary of the account.

Second, we must consider Section 529(b)(6):

(6)Prohibition on excess contributions

A program shall not be treated as a qualified tuition program unless it provides adequate safeguards to prevent contributions on behalf of a designated beneficiary in excess of those necessary to provide for the qualified higher education expenses of the beneficiary.

To my mind, the combination of these two rules* and how the IRS views them in a new environment where money can go tax-free from a 529 to a Roth IRA tamps down on any affirmative planning to stuff 529s with a primary purpose of getting money into Roth IRAs. I would not be surprised to see the IRS and Treasury come out with regulations more explicitly prohibiting stuffing 529s in this way.

*See also page 5 of the preamble of the never-finalized proposed 529 regulations stating that a 529 is “an account established exclusively for the purpose of meeting qualified higher education expenses of the designated beneficiary.”

What I believe is very much allowed is parents rounding up when funding a child’s 529. The above-cited Section 529 language should not be read to require parents to be conservative when funding 529s. Future higher education expenses are quite speculative. What will future college tuition be? Will the child go to grad school? Will the child graduate undergrad 3 years, 4 years, or 5 years? Will the child get scholarships?

529-to-Roth IRA Rollover Details

First, the rule provides that, in any year, the beneficiary of the 529 can be given up to the annual maximum allowed Roth IRA contribution as a Roth IRA contribution from the 529. If done, the contribution from the 529 becomes the beneficiary’s annual Roth IRA contribution for the year. Thus, this new rule does not create additional Roth IRA limits for the beneficiary.

One advantage is that the contribution is not subject to the Roth IRA MAGI limits. This advantage is not all that great, considering most young adult beneficiaries will not earn income exceeding the Roth IRA MAGI limits. Even if the beneficiary is very high income, he or she may be able to use the Backdoor Roth IRA to get around the MAGI limits.

Second, in order to execute this maneuver, the 529 must be at least 15 years old, and the amount contributed is limited to the amount of contributions (and earnings attributable to those contributions) occurring at least 5 years prior to the transfer to the Roth IRA. The 5 year rule defeats the idea of “oh, my daughter’s a senior in college, let me contribute $30K to her near-empty-529 and now have runway to make 5 annual Roth IRA contributions for her for her first 5 years after college graduation.”

Third, the total that can be transferred to the beneficiary’s Roth IRA is $35,000. The $35,000 is not adjusted for inflation, significantly limiting the benefit of this new rule.

As a planning tool, this technique is quite limited because the technique does not create any new Roth IRA contribution limitation. The new rule does not, generally speaking, increase Roth IRA contribution limits. Further, parents thinking of supporting young adult children can simply gift their adult children their annual Roth IRA contribution out of Mom and Dad’s bank account.

529 Rollovers as Roth Contributions and Roth Earnings

The new 529-to-Roth IRA maneuver preserves earnings in the 529 as “earnings” inside the Roth IRA. I refer to this as the “earnings-to-earnings rule.” This impacts how any future nonqualified withdrawals are made from the Roth IRA. From the now adult child’s perspective, a regular annual Roth IRA contribution is better than a 529-to-Roth rollover, because the 529-to-Roth rollover limits how much of the contribution is easily withdrawn as a return of prior contributions.

Here are two examples to illustrate the concept:

Example 1: Mark graduated college and started his first full time job in 2024. He contributes $6,500 to a Roth IRA for 2024. If Mark ever has an emergency, he can withdraw the $6,500 from the Roth IRA at any time for any reason tax and penalty free.

Example 2: Julile graduated from college and started her first full time job in 2024. Her father named her the beneficiary of a 529. Assuming the 15 year rule and the 5 year rule are satisfied, her father can direct $6,500* from the 529 to Julie’s Roth IRA for 2024. At the time of the transfer, the 529 consisted of $30,000, $15,000 of previous contributions and $15,000 of earnings. The $6,500 goes into the Roth IRA as $3,250 of contributions and $3,250 of earnings. Assuming Julie has made no other Roth IRA contributions, the most she can withdraw from the Roth IRA tax and penalty free for any reason prior to age 59 1/2 is $3,250.

*Note the 2024 Roth IRA contribution limits have not been published as of this writing. This uses the 2023 contribution limit as the 2024 contribution limit for illustrative purposes only.

The earnings-to-earnings rule makes sense to (somewhat) protect the 529 earnings rule. If 529 rollovers went into Roth IRAs entirely as contributions, the 529-to-Roth maneuver could be used to bail out 529 earnings by rolling to a Roth IRA and then immediately withdrawing, taking advantage of the Roth IRA nonqualified withdrawal rules to get the 529 earnings out tax free.

The above said, the hope for most receiving the benefit of the 529-to-Roth IRA rollover is that they do not make withdrawals from their Roth IRA for many years, making the new earnings-to-earnings rule mostly academic.

Sean’s Take

So how do I view the 529-to-Roth IRA rollover? I view this as a helpful, though quite limited, bailout technique for overfunded 529s. As a bailout technique, it’s a nice tool to have in the toolbox. The people who should be happy about it are those parents/grandparents with either a student in college today and/or a recent graduate and an overfunded 529.

The above said, the 529-to-Roth IRA is not a technique that provides much, if any, value from a planning perspective. I do not believe that this new maneuver significantly impacts financial planning for most parents, as I don’t believe it makes the 529 all that much more attractive.

Compare (i) 529s and this provision with (ii) simply investing money in taxable mutual funds and then using that money to fund a child’s college education and giving them $35K to be invested in Roth IRAs as a young adult. Yes, the 529 plus the 529-to-Roth is better than using taxable accounts, but not by enough for me to get very excited. Remember, in the FI community, the primary goal is not to optimize your child’s tax situation. Rather, for most parents, the primary goals are to secure Mom & Dad’s financial independence and be sure that Junior never has to worry about Mom & Dad’s financial security during Junior’s adulthood.

The availability of the 529-to-Roth rollover reduces concerns about overfunding a 529, but only modestly so. Even with this new rule, I believe two things are true. First, most young parents should focus on building up their own financial assets instead of funding 529s. The availability of this new rollover does not significantly change planning for young parents, in my opinion.

Second, those parents with extra money in 529s after a child graduates college should still consider changing beneficiaries to younger children or grandchildren primarily, and use the new 529-to-Roth IRA bailout technique as an alternative if no other beneficiary needing tuition assistance is readily available. To my mind, if there’s a successor beneficiary readily available, changing the beneficiary will usually be the preferable option, as it can be done instantaneously without worrying about limits and holding periods, and there’s no need to coordinate with the Roth IRA’s financial institution.

529 Seasoning

Some are discussing new parents opening a 529 at birth just to season the account so the account qualifies for the 529-to-Roth IRA maneuver sooner rather than later (before the child’s 16th birthday). As I believe young parents should be focused (financially) on securing their own financial future, I do not believe it should be a priority to do this. My (financial) hope for most young parents is that they first secure their own financial future during their child’s childhood.

If the parents’ financial future is secured by the time the child is in high school, the parents can start 529 funding to grab some state tax deductions or credits (if applicable). In such cases, when the funding occurs closer in time to college, it should be much easier for the parents to “right size” the 529 such that it is not overfunded for college. In those cases, any small remaining 529 balance can be bailed out by changing the beneficiary or using the 529-to-Roth IRA maneuver, even if it does take a few more years to satisfy the 15 year rule.

In addition, what’s the rush? So what if you have to wait 10 years until after Junior graduates college to execute the 529-to-Roth IRA rollover? In those 10 years you get tax free growth, and even if Junior has become the CEO you can still execute the maneuver, since the annual contribution MAGI limit has been eliminated for those doing the 529-to-Roth IRA rollover.

The downside of foregoing several years of pre-graduation seasoning is that additional time could cause growth such that the total in the 529 exceeds $35K by the time the 15 year clock is satisfied. I’d argue a 529 established much closer to the beginning of college is less likely to be significantly overfunded, mitigating this downside concern.

Multiple Beneficiaries

I think multiple beneficiary planning for the 529-to-Roth IRA maneuver is going to be very challenging. Consider the following situation:

Example 3: Dad owns a 529 and Son, age 21 is the beneficiary. Dad has paid for Son’s first three years of college through the 529. Daughter, age 25, is already a college graduate and in the workforce. If Dad’s 529 is now worth $100,000, in theory Dad could do a partial rollout of $30,000 to a 529 naming the Daughter as beneficiary with an eye towards the 529-to-Roth IRA rollover for Daughter’s benefit. However, remember the 15 year rule. The new 529 could not seed Daughter’s Roth IRA until Daughter is age 40. Further, if Daughter never uses any of the money for qualified educational expenses, the account is likely to run into issues being a valid 529.

529 plans cannot have multiple beneficiaries. This alone makes split-up planning for the 529-to-Roth IRA maneuver quite difficult. That said, if Daughter attended a year of graduate school at age 27 largely funded by this new 529, then Dad’s maneuver works, though remember that Daughter can only get the money into her own Roth IRA starting at age 40.

Starting with Owner as Beneficiary

Some might consider a parent opening a 529 before the child is born naming the parent as both owner and beneficiary. After 15 years, the parent can make annual 529 to Roth IRA rollovers to their own Roth IRA. Once the $35K maximum has been hit, the parent could then change the beneficiary to a child. Considering the 529 statutory language discussed above, I don’t believe that is a wise course of action. Such a course risks 529 account disqualification unless the IRS and Treasury come out with rules affirmatively blessing it. Further, all that’s been saved is tax on interest, dividends, and capital gains of $35,000 of Roth IRA contributions. Under today’s investment friendly tax rules, that will not be very much tax.

Don’t Plan on Using the 529-to-Roth IRA Maneuver if You Aren’t Going to College

The online world is full of scuttlebutt, and already I have seen social media posts inquiring as to whether adults should fund 529s for themselves with the idea of funding them today and starting 529-to-Roth IRAs rollovers 15 years later. I do not believe this is a wise course of action.

Based on the language in Section 529 quoted above, I am highly skeptical of planning to put money into the 529 looking to get it into a Roth IRA. Sorry to all those 40-somethings out there thinking about throwing $20,000 into a 529 to fund their Roth IRA annual contributions in their 50s and 60s.

Even if Congress were to change Section 529 tomorrow and explicitly allow 529 stuffing to get money into a Roth IRA, I don’t believe it makes much sense to affirmatively look to use a provision like this. It doesn’t increase the limit for Roth IRA contributions. If one is working 15 years from now, they will probably have the cash flow to fund their Roth IRA. Why do they need to invest through a 529 and get a very small tax break on the money for the 15+ years beforehand? Further, what if they aren’t working and don’t have compensation income in 15 years?

Without compensation income (or spousal compensation income), one cannot make a Roth IRA contribution (whether from their bank account or from a 529). At that point the money might be trapped inside the 529, and withdrawable only if the owner is willing to pay ordinary income tax and the 10 percent penalty on distributions of earnings.

Changing the Beneficiary to the Owner

Considering the language in Section 529 discussed above, I doubt the IRS will allow middle-age 529 owners whose schooling is far behind them to change the 529 beneficiary to themselves and then do the 529-to-Roth IRA maneuver. Yes, the IRS and Treasury may allow the successor beneficiary to step into the 15 year clock of the original beneficiary. But if the middle-age owner becomes the beneficiary, the 529 is no longer for the beneficiary to use for qualified educational expenses. At that point, it appears that there is a high risk the account may cease to be a good 529. If the owner then executes the rollover maneuver and their MAGI exceeds the annual Roth IRA contribution MAGI limit, they create an excess contribution to the Roth IRA.

It’s possible that the IRS will view this differently, but I would not count on it. Until the IRS and Treasury come out with more definitive guidance, I would expect that the benefit of this new rollover maneuver will largely be limited to those who completed their college education after the funding of a 529 for their benefit.

Changing the Beneficiary and the 15 Year Clock

Does changing the beneficiary on a 529 reset the 15 year clock?

My hope is that the IRS and Treasury allow a successor beneficiary to inherit the holding period the original beneficiary had. My view is that the IRS and Treasury are protected by the statutory language requiring 529s to be for the educational expenses of the beneficiary. If the successor beneficiary plans on using the 529 money only for their Roth IRA, the 529 can be disqualified. But if the successor beneficiary uses some of the money for education and then has leftover amounts, he or she should not need to wait until the passing of a new 15 year clock to get the money into a Roth IRA.

If the IRS and Treasury are worried about abuses here, one possible compromise would be to allow the successor beneficiary to inherit the original beneficiary’s clock only if (i) the successor beneficiary is no more than ten years older than the original beneficiary and (ii) the successor beneficiary is a member of the original beneficiary’s family.

A Critical Look at the 529

Watch me discuss on the 529 on YouTube

Conclusion

For those with an overfunded 529, the new 529-to-Roth IRA maneuver is very good news. That said, to my mind, it is just another tool in the tool box. In many cases, overfunded 529s are better used for another beneficiary, such as another child or a grandchild. But still, overfunded 529s are an issue, and it is good to have another bailout tool available, particularly if there is no successor beneficiary in the picture.

I generally do not view the 529-to-Roth IRA maneuver to be a great planning tool. Generally speaking, it does not increase the amount that can go into a Roth IRA. That alone significantly diminishes its value from a planning perspective. Of course, everyone needs to do their own analysis and planning considering the particulars of their own situation.

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A Critical Look at the 529

Thanks to the SECURE 2.0 bill, it’s time for the FI community to reexamine 529 plans. This post shares my two cents on 529s in general, and specifically as applied to the FI community. The next post, dropping February 15, 2023, addresses in detail the new 529-to-Roth IRA rollover enacted in SECURE 2.0.

Financial Independence

Before we talk about 529s, we have to talk about the primary goal of financial independence. For young parents, the primary goal is to secure Mom & Dad’s financial independence.

Achieving the parents’ primary goal has an incredible secondary effect. Mom and Dad buy Junior an incredible gift by securing their own financial independence. That gift is that Junior will never have to worry about Mom and Dad’s financial security as an adult. The greatest financial gift parents can ever give their children is the parents’ own financial stability.

Second, where possible, money and financial assets should be able to support multiple financial goals. We should be at least somewhat hesitant before locking up money such that it can only support one highly specific goal without incurring a penalty.

529s

529s are tax-advantaged savings accounts generally run by states to facilitate college savings. 529s are best understood as a Roth IRA for college education with far greater contribution limits. Sure, that is an overstatement of how they work, but that gives us a good conceptual framework from which to start the analysis.

A quick note on terminology: The IRS often refers to 529 plans as “Qualified Tuition Programs” or “QTPs.” I will use the more commonly used colloquialisms, 529 and 529s.

Contributions to a 529 are not tax deductible for federal income tax purposes. At least initially, there’s no federal income tax benefit to making a 529 contribution. However, money inside a 529 grows federal and state tax-free and can be withdrawn tax-free for qualified education expenses (such as college tuition).

Contributions are generally not limited by federal tax law, though contributions above the annual exclusion gift tax limit ($17,000 per donor per beneficiary per year in 2023) generally trigger Form 709 reporting requirements (though in 99.99% of cases there should not be a gift tax liability). States generally have lifetime contribution limits per beneficiary. Usually these limits are far in excess of what one would normally need for undergraduate college tuition.

Very generally speaking, qualified education expenses can be directly paid from the 529 to the educational institution or such expenses can be reimbursed from a 529 in the year the expenses are incurred. Payments for qualified educational expenses are generally tax and penalty free. 529s do not enjoy the rather unlimited reimbursement deadline that HSAs enjoy.

529s get similar tax treatment to the federal income tax treatment in most states. However, there can be an additional benefit: an annual state tax deduction or credit for some 529 contributions to the state’s own 529 plan (note 8 states allow a 529 tax deduction or credit for contributions to other states’ 529 plans). However, for many readers this will either be irrelevant or only of minor importance. Of the four most populous states (CA, TX, FL, NY), only residents of New York can obtain an up-to $5,000 per person per year state tax deduction for contributions to a home-state 529. California has no 529 tax deduction and Texas and Florida do not have an income tax.

Okay, sounds great! Clearly there are tax benefits for 529 money used for qualified education expenses. But what about distributions that are used for anything other than qualified education expenses? Well, they are going to be subject to an income tax and likely a 10 percent penalty, in the following manner. A non-qualified distribution is deemed to come ratably out of the contributions to the 529 (tax and penalty free) and earnings of the 529 (subject to income tax and the 10 percent penalty, some penalty exceptions may apply).

Here’s an example illustrating the application of the nonqualified distribution rules:

Hal, the owner of a 529 account, takes $1,000 out of the 529 to help pay for vacation expenses. Previously, he had made $60,000 of contributions to the 529, and it had grown to $100,000 ($40,000 of earnings) prior to making the $1,000 non qualified distribution. Sixty percent of the distribution ($600) is a nontaxable return of contributions and 40 percent ($400) is subject to both income tax and a 10 percent penalty.

The taxation of non-qualified distributions is a significant drawback of using 529s.

529s and the FI Community

Let’s remember what is going on with a 529. It is a gift to the next generation. It comes with very modest tax benefits.

My thesis on the 529 is this: for most parents, including most of those in the FI community, the tax benefits offered by 529s are not sufficient to compensate for the use restrictions on 529s. Thus, my view is that 529s should generally be deployed once Mom and Dad are financially independent (or close to it), not when they are on the path to financial independence.

The idea behind the 529 is to provide tax-free growth for college savings. It solves for something that, frankly, isn’t much of a problem. Taxes are not why college is unaffordable for many Americans. College tends to be unaffordable not because investment taxes are high, but because tuition and fees are out of control.

One thing in parents’ favor when thinking about funding college educations is that income taxes on investments are relatively modest over a child’s childhood due to low long term capital gains rates and qualified dividend income rates. Hopefully, by age 22 or 23, the child’s undergraduate education is completed, providing a relatively modest investment time horizon (i.e., a modest tax exposure horizon), even if the parents start saving for college at birth.

Contrast that to the retirement time horizon of a 20-, 30- or 40-something parent saving for his or her own retirement. The money invested for retirement at age 25 might be accessed at age 60, 70, 80, or 90. Compared to educational savings, retirement savings (which are usually far greater than educational savings) are much more vulnerable to income taxes for a much longer time frame. Even at long term capital gains and qualified dividend income rates, exposing retirement savings to decades of taxation could be very expensive. Retirement savings are also exposed to tax law change risk for a much longer period of time. For example, there’s no guarantee that there will be favored long term capital gains and qualified dividend tax rates 30 years from now.

The tax risk profiles on educational savings and retirement savings are much different. Based on those risk profiles, for most I believe aggressive retirement tax planning makes sense. But I don’t see educational tax planning making as much sense, for the reasons discussed below.

Of course, tax-advantaged retirement savings can come with a juicy up-front federal income tax deduction. 529s do not offer the possibility of a federal income tax deduction, making them less impactful than tax-advantaged retirement savings regardless of the time frame involved.

Young Parents and 529s

Let’s consider young parents. Say Junior is born when Mom & Dad are age 30 and have saved 10 times their annual expenses in financial assets. Many, myself included, would say Mom and Dad are doing well with their finances. Here’s where I diverge from some others in the personal finance space: I would not recommend Mom & Dad save in a 529 shortly after Junior’s birth.

Notice I’m not saying Mom & Dad should not pay for Junior’s college. What I’m saying is Mom and Dad should stay flexible for their own financial future.

What’s so horrible about Mom & Dad starting to save for Junior’s college in a taxable brokerage account under their own names? At birth, they have no idea if Junior will get a scholarship, go to trade school, how Mom & Dad’s finances will be when Junior is ready to go to college, etc. By saving in financial assets that are in their own names–perhaps mentally segregated as potentially being for Junior’s college–Mom & Dad maintain great flexibility without sacrificing too much tax benefit.

If Junior gets a scholarship, great, the financial assets stay with Mom & Dad. If Mom & Dad are not financially successful when Junior goes to college, great, the financial assets can support Mom & Dad and Junior can figure out other ways to pay for college.

The Value of the 529’s Tax Benefits

How bad is the tax hit on holding investments for a child’s college education? Imagine owning a 60 / 40 equity to bond portfolio of $100,000 for a child’s college education. If held in the parents’ taxable brokerage account, how much taxable income might that generate annually? Very roughly, if dividend yields are 2 percent, the $60,000 in equities would produce $1,200 of dividend income, most of which is likely to qualify for qualified dividend income tax rates. The $40,000 of bonds would produce $1,800 of ordinary income at a 4.5 percent yield.

Is it desirable to add $3,000 of income to Mom and Dad’s tax return? Surely not. Cataclysmic? Also surely not.

Consider what a small amount of additional taxable income buys. If the money is held in the parents’ names, it can be used for anything without penalty. Perhaps Mom and Dad have not been financially successful. That $100,000 could help the parents achieve their own financial goals and retirement. What if the child gets a scholarship and does not need much in the way of tuition assistance from his or her parents? What if the child doesn’t go to college?

In exchange for paying tax on $3,000 of income annually (some of it at tax-favored QDI rates), and some long term capital gains when used to pay tuition, Mom and Dad have incredible flexibility with the $100,000. Maybe $50,000 goes for Junior’s college tuition, and $50,000 goes for Mom and Dad’s retirement. Further, for many it won’t be $3,000 of income annually. It will take most parents years before they could accumulate the sort of balance that would generate $3,000 of taxable income from educational savings. Thus, the tax hit for not using the 529 is likely to be that much less in the years well before the child is close to college age.

Outside of the handcuffs of the 529, assets can support multiple financial goals. Even better, as one financial goal is met, the money can be shifted to support another financial goal. Perhaps Mom and Dad are behind in their own savings when Junior is age 10. But things go well, and when Junior turns 16 Mom and Dad have wealth in excess of their FI number. In that case, money that might have been needed for the parents’ retirement now can be used for college tuition.

Use Restrictions

We need to consider the use restrictions on 529s. If not used for qualified education expenses, the growth is subject to both ordinary income tax and usually the 10 percent penalty.

Compare the tight use restrictions on 529s to the use restrictions on the other most prevalent tax baskets: taxable accounts, traditional retirement accounts, Roth accounts, and health savings accounts. Generally speaking, all of them (even HSAs) are not use-restricted or only partially use-restricted. All four of those tax baskets have a significant advantage over 529s in terms of use restrictions.

In many cases, I believe that the 529’s significant use restrictions are not adequately compensated by its tax advantages.

The 529 has rather onerous time restrictions, as distributions of earnings are generally subject to tax and the 10 percent penalty in those years there are no qualified education expenses.

Feeding the Beast

As much as we might want to, we can’t turn a blind eye towards hyperinflation in college tuition. With that in mind, shouldn’t we ask: Isn’t a hyperfocus on college savings feeding the beast?

It’s time to scrutinize American higher education. It’s not good for the country to have students graduating with mountains of debt. This is happening for many reasons, including significant administrative bloat in higher education. Clearly, American higher education is failing too many of its students. Is now the time to set aside money to pay American colleges and universities?

I get it: no one reader funding a 529 is the cause of the problems of American higher education.

But, if I’m a university used to collecting soaring tuition and fees, I’m all for 529s. 529s subsidize what has become bad behavior by university administrators. Less focus on 529s helps move the needle towards universities needing to act responsibly in order to attract students.

Camilla Jeffs raises an interesting point on her LinkedIn page: Part of the reason college is so expensive is because in many cases the customer (the student) does not bear the cost. 529s feed into that problem. Camilla’s recent podcast episode on 529s is also full of good food for thought.

529 Use Cases

The above limitations of the 529 noted, I do believe there are good use cases for the 529. These cases assume that the parents have decided to pay for their child’s college education.

Financially Independent Parents

Joe and Sally are married and 45 years old. They have saved 30 times their annual expenses in retirement accounts and taxable brokerage accounts. They have a 10 year old daughter they are reasonably sure will go to college, and they would like to pay for her college education.

This is a great use case for the 529. Mom and Dad’s financial future largely secured (generally speaking), it’s time to focus on (i) college savings, since they want to pay for college, and (ii) tax planning. Joe and Sally, already holding substantial taxable brokerage accounts, benefit from saving through the 529 so they avoid adding more dividend, interest, and capital gains income to their annual tax return.

Capturing State Tax Benefits

Aaron and Amanda are married and are 50 years old. They have saved 20 times their annual expenses in retirement accounts and taxable brokerage accounts. They have stable jobs. They have a 16 year old son who is very likely to go to college. Aaron and Amanda want to pay for their son’s college education. Since they live in New York State, if they contribute $10,000 annually to the New York 529 for his benefit ($5K each), they get an annual $10,000 state tax deduction on their New York state income tax return.

Aaron and Amanda are not financially independent by many metrics, but they are doing pretty well, and are likely (though not guaranteed) to be financially successful. In their case, paying for college is not financially ruinous. If Aaron and Amanda are going to pay for college, they might as well utilize the 529 annually to scoop up state tax deductions, particularly in a higher income tax state like New York. Further, beginning the 529 much closer to the start of college decreases the odds that the 529 will become over funded.

Contrast Aaron and Amanda to parents of newborns. Newborns’ parents are closer to the beginning of their financial journey. In most such cases, state tax benefits would not, in my opinion, be valuable enough to justify the use restrictions on 529 contributions.

Conclusion

My view is that the detriments of the use restrictions on 529s are not adequately compensated by the federal and state tax advantages offered by 529s in most cases. That’s certainly not to say there are not good use cases for the 529, but my view is that most parents should prioritize saving in their own names (even in taxable accounts) before making contributions to 529 accounts.

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Health Savings Accounts and Las Vegas

Want to make a bad financial decision? I’ve got an account that can help you do that tax and penalty free!

Of course, I do not recommend making bad financial decisions. However, at times it is useful to look at extremes to help us better understand and analyze financial planning alternatives.

Health Savings Accounts

If you’ve spent any time on my blog or YouTube channel, you’re probably aware that I’m fond of HSAs. Contributions are tax deductible (or excludable if made through payroll withholding). Amounts inside the HSA grow tax free. Withdrawals for qualified medical expenses, or reimbursements of qualified medical expenses, are tax and penalty free.

As long as the HSA owner is alive, he or she can reimburse themselves from the HSA for qualified medical expenses incurred after they first owned an HSA. Generally speaking, there’s no time limit on HSA reimbursements, other than the owner must be alive to receive the tax and penalty free reimbursement. See “Distributions from an HSA” on page 9 of IRS Publication 969 and Notice 2004-50 Q&A 39.

HSAs are great because they combine the best feature of a traditional retirement account (deduction or exclusion on the way in) with the best feature of a Roth retirement account (tax free treatment on the way out). Further, the lack of a time limit on reimbursements from an HSA provides the owner with tremendous flexibility in terms of deciding when to take tax and penalty free distributions.

Health Savings Accounts PUQME

Previously Unreimbursed Qualified Medical Expenses (PUQME, pronounced “Puck Me”). HSA owners can reimburse themselves tax and penalty free from their HSA up to their amount of their PUQME. PUQME includes qualified medical expenses of the owner, their spouse, and their dependents incurred after the HSA was first established. Qualified medical expenses deducted as an itemized deduction on a tax return (quite rare) do not qualify to be reimbursed from an HSA and thus are not PUQME. PUQME is a technical term I made up. 😉

Restricted Accounts

When we think about taxable brokerage accounts, traditional retirement accounts, Roth retirement accounts, HSAs, and other available options, we should consider the restrictions in place on the use of the funds. The more restrictions in place, the worse the account.

Time Restrictions

Taxable accounts, traditional retirement accounts, and Roth retirement accounts face various time restrictions on withdrawals. For example, taxable accounts qualify for favored long-term capital gains rates if held for a year. Of course, that restriction is academic if there’s a loss or no gain in the account.

Traditional retirement accounts suffer the most stringent time restrictions. Withdrawals occurring prior to the owner turning age 59 ½ are usually subject to the 10 percent early withdrawal penalty. Roth IRAs are not all that time restricted, as amounts withdrawn prior to age 59 ½ are deemed to first be nontaxable withdrawals of prior contributions. Roth 401(k)s can be somewhat time restricted, as amounts withdrawn prior to age 59 ½ are partially deemed to be withdrawals of taxable earnings (usually subject to the 10 percent early withdrawal penalty).

HSAs are somewhat time restricted, though like Roth IRAs, they are not severely so. Once one has PUQME after having opened an HSA, he or she can withdraw money (up to their PUQME amount) from the HSA tax and penalty free.

Use Restrictions

Taxable accounts, traditional retirement accounts, and Roth retirement accounts are great in that they have absolutely no use restrictions. The government does not care what you spend the money on. The tax result is, at least generally speaking, unaffected by use.

There are some exceptions, such as the exceptions to the 10 percent early withdrawal penalty such that early withdrawals from retirement accounts can qualify to avoid the 10 percent penalty. Further, one might say that because of qualified charitable distributions, using traditional IRAs for charitable purposes is use-favored. The above exceptions noted, as a general rule, use does not significantly change the taxation of withdrawals from taxable accounts, traditional retirement accounts, and Roth retirement accounts.

HSA Use Restrictions

HSA distributions that are not used for qualified medical expenses are subject to both income tax and a 20% penalty if the owner is under age 65.

However, recall that there is no time limit on the ability to reimburse oneself tax and penalty free for previously incurred qualified medical expenses. As a practical matter, the lack of time limit results in relatively modest use restrictions on an HSA. Below I’ll illustrate that with an extreme example.

HSAs and Las Vegas

Perhaps you’re yearning for the hot sand, broken dreams, and $5 lobster of Las Vegas. Could an HSA help? Let’s explore that possibility.

Peter, age 70, wants a weekend getaway in Las Vegas. Between a hotel suite, comedy club tickets, airfare, steak dinners, some Texas Hold’em poker, and the breakfast buffet, he estimates it will cost him $10,000.

Peter was covered by a high deductible health plan from age 55 through age 65. He maxed out his HSA annually during that time, and he has never taken a distribution from his HSA. The HSA is now worth $50,000, and between age 55 and today Peter has $30,000 of PUQME.

Could Peter use his HSA to pay for the weekend? Absolutely!

Wait a minute, Sean. Vegas isn’t a qualified medical expense! Sure, it isn’t. But Peter has $30,000 of previously unreimbursed qualified medical expenses. He can take out $10,000 from his HSA tax and penalty free and use it to buy poker chips in Las Vegas. Once an HSA owner has previously unreimbursed qualified medical expenses, they generally do not have an HSA use restriction up to the level of that PUQME.

As a practical matter, even the healthiest Americans are eventually going to have qualified medical expenses. As a result, most HSA owners will have runway, particularly in retirement, to reimburse themselves for previously incurred qualified medical expenses. That reimbursement money is in no way use restricted–it can go for a weekend trip to Vegas if the HSA owner desires.

HSA Planning Risk

But Sean, there’s no way Congress won’t close the loophole! Surely, at some point in the future, Congress will time-limit tax and penalty free reimbursements from HSAs.

I don’t think so, for three reasons.

First, the HSA loophole is not that great. Consider the relatively modest HSA contribution limits. Sure, the government loses tax revenue due to HSAs, but it isn’t that much, particularly compared to vehicles such as Roth IRAs. Further, HSAs are, at most, a loophole during the owner’s lifetime and the lifetime of their surviving spouse. That’s it!

Left to a non-spouse, non-charity beneficiary, the entire HSA is immediately taxable income (typically at the beneficiary’s highest tax rate) in the year of the owner’s death. Death not only ends the loophole, it gives the government a significant revenue raiser by taxing the entire amount at ordinary rates on top of the inheriting beneficiary’s other taxable income.

Second, I suspect Congress wants taxpayers to bailout HSA money tax and penalty free prior to death. The immediate full taxation of HSA balances in the year of death is going to come as a nasty surprise to many beneficiaries.

Imagine significant taxes and perhaps dealing with the paperwork and hassle of reversing what becomes an excess contribution to a Roth IRA because of a surprise income hit due to the death of a loved one. Here’s what that could look like.

Mark and Laura are married and both turn age 47 in 2023. They anticipate about $200,000 of MAGI in 2023, in line with their 2022 income. Expecting their 2023 income to fall well within the Roth IRA modified adjusted gross income limits, each contributes $6,500 to a Roth IRA for 2023 on January 2, 2023. In September, Laura’s father passes away and leaves her an HSA worth $50,000. The HSA inheritance increases their 2023 MAGI to $250,000. The federal income tax hit on inheriting the HSA will be over $10,000.

As a result of their increased income, Mark and Laura are now ineligible to have made the 2023 Roth IRA contributions. The most likely remedial path involves Mark and Laura working with the financial institution to take a corrective distribution of the contributions and the earnings attributable to the contributions. The earnings will be included in Mark and Laura’s MAGI for 2023 as one last insult to inheriting a fully taxable HSA.

This is a lurking issue. If Congress puts 2 and 2 together, they will hope that HSA balances are small at death so as to avoid their constituents suffering a large, unexpected tax bill related to a loved one’s death. Time-limiting tax and penalty free HSA reimbursements would keep more money inside HSAs during an owner’s lifetime (and thus, at their death). At death, this would set up more beneficiaries to have nasty surprises when inheriting an HSA, a fate Congress most likely wants to avoid.

Third, time-limiting HSA reimbursements will go counter to the reason HSAs exist in the first place: to encourage the use of high deductible health plans. Time-limiting HSA reimbursements could trap amounts inside HSAs because taxpayers would lose amounts they could withdraw from the HSA without incurring tax (and a 20 percent penalty if under age 65). If taxpayers believe HSA money could become trapped, fewer will opt for a high deductible health plan. This will lead to increased medical costs as more and more Americans have lower deductibles and become sensitive to medical pricing.

Surviving Spouse’s HSA PUQME

I prepared a short 1-page technical write up providing my views on how previously unreimbursed qualified medical expenses are computed when a spouse inherits a health savings account.

HSA Resource

Kelley C. Long recently authored an excellent article on HSAs in the Journal of Accountancy.

Conclusion

Here’s hoping that you don’t take away the conclusion that HSA owners should spend their HSA money in Las Vegas!

Rather, my primary conclusion is that investments and tax baskets should be assessed considering their time and use restrictions. The fewer the time and use restrictions, the better. Of course, time and use restrictions are not the only factors to consider, but they are significant factors.

Secondary conclusions include (i) the HSA tends to be very flexible and (ii) the tax breaks available to HSA owners are not likely to be repealed or limited by Congress anytime soon.

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Emergency Access to Retirement Accounts

The newly passed SECURE Act 2.0 has put a renewed focus on the use of retirement funds to cover pre-retirement emergencies. This post discusses the options available with respect to using tax-advantaged retirement accounts to fund emergency expenses.

To my mind, there are five primary ways to use retirement funds to pay for emergencies. Considering the complexities of our tax system, I don’t claim this covers every possible situation, but it does highlight the most readily available ways of using retirement funds for pre-retirement emergencies. For purposes of this post, a “pre-retirement emergency” is an emergency that occurs prior to turning age 59 ½.

ONE: Direct Distribution from a Non-Roth IRA Retirement Account

In theory, one can pay for emergencies from their non-Roth IRA retirement accounts. To my mind, this tends to be the worst way to use a retirement account to pay for a pre-retirement emergency. At least initially, the withdrawal will be subject to both the income tax and the 10 percent early withdrawal penalty. California residents can add an additional 2.5 percent early withdrawal penalty.

There are exceptions to the penalty, and the IRS maintains a website detailing them.

One practical consideration: 401(k)s and other qualified workplace retirement plans tend to limit or restrict in-service withdrawals, so the money may not be readily available if needed in an emergency. Traditional IRAs tend to be rather readily available, so long as the money is invested in relatively liquid assets and/or easily sold financial assets.

From traditional retirement accounts, the withdrawal is taxable and then the question becomes does one of the penalty exceptions apply. However, there is a way to avoid taxation and the penalty: putting the money back into a retirement account within 60 days. First off, one facing an emergency may not have the liquidity to return the money in 60 days even if they want to. Second, 60 day rollovers between IRA accounts are limited to once every 12 months. As a general rule, I recommend avoiding 60 day rollovers to keep that option open if money ever came out of an IRA for whatever reason.

If liquidity is not an issue within the 60 day rollover period, one way to avoid the once-per-year rule on a distribution from a traditional IRA is to rollover to a Roth IRA (essentially, a Roth conversion). This might make sense when one takes an emergency withdrawal from a traditional IRA within 12 months of a previous 60 day IRA-to-IRA rollover. In such a case, if the person cannot roll the money into a workplace retirement plan, the only options are (i) keep the money and pay income tax and likely the 10 percent penalty or (ii) convert over to a Roth IRA, get tax free growth in the future, and only pay the income tax. Roth conversions always avoid the 10 percent early withdrawal penalty.

3 Year Pay Back

SECURE 2.0 has changed the landscape in terms of refunding pre-retirement emergency withdrawals. In some limited situations, there may be a 3 year pay back window, not a 60 day pay back window.

There are now, by my count, six provisions allowing taxpayers to pay back money distributed out of a retirement account within 3 years of the withdrawal. Please note that I and others are still digesting SECURE 2.0, so the below is intended only as an initial, introductory primer.

Qualification for the 3 year pay back is good because it generally means (i) no 10 percent penalty on the initial withdrawal and (ii) the money can be refunded to the retirement account within 3 years, resulting in (a) a refund of the income tax paid on the distribution and (ii) keeping the money growing tax-deferred (or tax-free for Roths) for retirement.

Please note that each of these is quite narrow. Despite the limited availability, in cases where a taxpayer has taken out a significant amount of money from a retirement account in an emergency, these rules should be reviewed to see if the taxpayer could qualify to avoid the 10 percent penalty and later get the money back into the retirement account and obtain a significant tax refund.

Jamie Hopkins detailed some of the new SECURE 2.0 provisions in a recent Forbes article. I’ve prepared the below chart to lay out the basics (as I understand them now) of the new 3 year pay back rules.

Provision	Effective Date	Source	Limits	Qualification
Minor Emergency Withdrawals	2024	SECURE 2.0 Sec. 115	$1,000 per year, 1 distribution per year	Expenses incurred for an emergency
Domestic Abuse Victims	2024	SECURE 2.0 Sec. 314	Lesser of $10K or 50% of account balance per year	Must be a victim of domestic abuse within the year preceding the distribution
Federally Declared Disaster Area	January 26, 2021	SECURE 2.0 Sec. 331	$22,000 limit per disaster	Must live in a federally declared disaster area and suffered an economic loss due to the disaster
Terminally Ill Individual	Enactment of SECURE 2.0	SECURE 2.0 Sec. 326	Unlimited	Must be terminally ill (generally, medicially expected to die within 7 years).
Qualified Birth or Adoption Distribution	2020	SECURE Sec. 113	$5,000 per parent per birth	Distribution must be within 1 year after birth or adoption of child
Coronavirus Related Distributions can no longer be made, but previously made CRDs can be paid back within 3 years of the distribution.

As all of the 3 year pay back provisions are new (several less than a month old as of this writing!), practitioners (myself included) are still learning about them. That learning will change when the IRS and Treasury issue regulations and/or other guidance on these new rules.

Future 3 Year Pay Back Regulations

I hope the regulations contain a waiver of excess contribution penalties when taxpayers pay back money into a retirement account and the IRS subsequently determines that the taxpayer did not qualify for 3 year pay back treatment. These provisions are complex and subjective, and it is not fair to assess an excess contribution penalty when a taxpayer’s interpretation of a complex and/or subjective provision is not the same as the IRS’s interpretation.

Further, any regulations should clarify that individual taxpayers over age 59 ½ qualify for the 3 year pay back provisions, even though they are exempt from the 72(t) penalty regardless of the application of a 3 year pay back provision.

Prior to the issuance of regulations or other guidance from the IRS and Treasury, taxpayers should proceed with caution and consult their tax advisors when applying the 3 year pay back provisions.

TWO: Plan Loans

Not available from IRAs and Roth IRAs, some employer plans allow for loans from the plan. If you read my book, you know I am generally not fond of 401(k) loans.

That said, in an emergency, if the plan allows it, a loan can be a tax-free way to access retirement account funds and later replenish them. Loans are generally limited to the lesser of half the account balance or $50,000 and require the payment of interest to the 401(k). One advantage of plan loans is that they can be spent on anything without restrictions.

I do not like relying on plan loans for several reasons. First, 401(k)s plans do not have to offer loans. Second, if the employee leaves the employer, the loan becomes due, and failure to repay it results in the entire outstanding balance becoming taxable income and is likely subject to the 10 percent early withdrawal penalty. Ouch! Third, the interest paid to the 401(k) is double taxed, as there’s generally no tax deduction for the payment of interest to the 401(k), and later in life the interest will be taxed to the 401(k) account owner when withdrawn or Roth converted.

THREE: SECURE 2.0 Minor Emergency Withdrawals

As mentioned in the chart above, Section 115 of SECURE 2.0 allows, beginning in 2024, one annual up-to $1,000 penalty free distribution from retirement accounts for an emergency. I refer to these as minor emergency withdrawals.

The distribution will be taxable if from a traditional retirement account. Further, the $1,000 withdrawn can be refunded into the retirement account up to 3 years from the original distribution. Refunding the distribution will allow the taxpayer to amend any tax return reporting the distribution as taxable income and obtain a refund.

As a practical matter, I suspect that most minor emergency withdrawals will come from traditional IRAs and Roth IRAs, as accessing money from them tends to be far easier than accessing money from workplace retirement accounts such as 401(k)s while someone is still working at the employer.

I previously Tweeted about this provision. Obviously, this provision is very limited as it is capped at one distribution per year and $1,000 per distribution. Here’s hoping everyone only faces emergencies costing $1,000 or less!

In theory, there’s a risk when taking a minor emergency withdrawal. What if the IRS disagrees with your view that you had an emergency? The IRS could (i) assess the 10 percent penalty on the distribution, (ii) deny any claimed tax refunds for repayments of the minor emergency withdrawal, and/or (iii) assess a 6 percent (per year) excess contribution penalty for repayments of the withdrawal back into the retirement account.

The IRS and Treasury will have to issue regulations defining emergency for this purpose. My hope is that they will define emergency quite broadly, which it appears Congress intended based on the wording of Section 115. Hopefully, the IRS and Treasury decide they want to limit fights with taxpayers over $1,000 distributions. The regulations should take the approach that anything that could plausibly be viewed as an emergency will count as an emergency for this purpose. Further, it would be very useful if the regulations contained safe-harbors and waive excess contribution penalties in cases where taxpayers wrongly believed they qualified as having an emergency.

FOUR: SECURE 2.0 401(k) Emergency Savings Accounts

Section 127 of SECURE 2.0 establishes a relatively limited emergency savings account as part of a 401(k) or other workplace retirement plan. It is the employer’s option to add this to their retirement plan, and this cannot be added until 2024 (see page 2199 of the Omnibus Bill text). These are not available from traditional IRAs and Roth IRAs.

For the reasons discussed below, I suspect very few plans will add this feature, and very few employees will want to use this account.

The account must be a Roth 401(k) (or other Roth employer account) and generally can only invest in cash and cash-type assets in order to preserve purchasing power. Employees’ unwithdrawn contributions cannot exceed $2,500, and highly compensated employees (those employees who made more than $150,000 in wages in the previous year) cannot contribute to the account.

From the employee’s perspective, these accounts are generally undesirable. The tax shelter is minimal: Roth treatment on cash accounts of no more than $2,500 of contributions. Sure, withdrawals are fully tax-free, but all that’s been saved is the tax on the interest income. In theory, one would want to contribute to one of these accounts to have more contributions that can get employer matches into their 401(k), but many participants have both the smarts and the liquidity to capture the entire employer match without contributing to this account.

More importantly, in an emergency situation, (i) $2,500 only goes so far and (ii) you probably do not want the hassle of dealing with your workplace 401(k) plan administrator. “In-service withdrawals” from 401(k)s are notoriously cumbersome. From a user-experience perspective, I strongly suspect emergency access to cash in a checking account or online savings account the owner controls will usually be much better than using money inside an employer’s 401(k) plan.

One advantage of these accounts is that there is no “emergency” requirement for withdrawals. The employee can withdraw the money for any reason. Another advantage is that, in theory, this creates head room for getting $2,500 more (plus interest) into Roth accounts. If not used, the balance can be rolled into the regular Roth 401(k) when the employee leaves employment. See page 2130 of the Omnibus bill text.

As undesirable as these accounts are for employees, they are much more so from the employer perspective. Why would a retirement plan administrator want to sign up to field calls from employees for emergency distributions? If I’m a plan administrator and I want my employees to have flexibility and resources in an emergency, I don’t amend my plan document and encourage them to come to my plan when easier to use alternatives already exist (checking accounts and savings accounts). Employers adopting these accounts are signing up to become emergency distributors, which fundamentally is not what a retirement plan is. Further, the amounts involved (maximum contributions of just $2,500) and the fact that many employees, including decision makers, generally can’t be covered because of the prohibition on offering emergency accounts to highly compensated employees discourage employer plans from incurring the hassle and administrative costs to add these accounts.

Note that the emergency account feature is not available for Solo 401(k)s, because anyone owning more than 5% of a business is, by definition, a highly compensated employee, regardless of their earnings.

FIVE: Roth IRA Basis

If one wants to access retirement accounts in an emergency, my favored technique of the five discussed in this post is to use Roth IRA basis. Generally speaking, Roth IRA basis is the sum of previous annual contributions plus all previous Roth conversions, less any previous Roth IRA withdrawals.

Recall that previous annual contributions to Roth IRAs and Roth conversions that are at least 5 years old can be accessed at any time for any reason tax and penalty free. Further, withdrawals from Roth IRAs occurring prior to turning age 59 ½ access prior contributions first (until exhausted), then old conversions (first in, first out, and until exhausted), and last access Roth earnings.

As a result of this pecking order, most non qualified Roth IRA withdrawals will simply be nontaxable returns of old contributions. This makes the Roth IRA the best retirement account to use in the event of an emergency. Taking advantage of Roth basis results in no tax and no penalty, and simply requires the filing of a Part III of the Form 8606 when filing one’s tax return.

The downside of accessing Roth IRA basis is that outside of a 60 day rollover, a $1,000 refund of a minor emergency withdrawal, and/or a possible 3 year pay back, tapping Roth basis reduces the amount inside the Roth IRA growing tax free for the taxpayer’s retirement. Further, do not forget the once-every-12 months limit on IRA to IRA 60 day rollovers (including Roth IRAs) and the fact that Roth IRAs cannot be transferred to workplace retirement Roth accounts.

Roth IRA Basis and the Minor Emergency Withdrawal Rule

Starting in 2024, perhaps the best approach for those taxpayers experiencing emergencies is to combine using Roth IRA basis with the minor emergency withdrawal rule. Taxpayers making emergency withdrawals from a Roth IRA should consider refunding up to $1,000 to the Roth IRA within 3 years. From a risk perspective, this tactic is relatively low risk. Withdrawals of Roth IRA basis are tax and penalty free. The only tax risk is the 6% excess contribution penalty on putting the money back into the Roth IRA. For a non-qualifying $1,000 refund back into the Roth IRA, that penalty is only $60 annually. One would hope the IRS will not be overly strict in assessing taxpayers’ contentions that the withdrawals were in fact for an emergency.

Roth IRA Basis and Other 3 Year Pay Back Rules

In limited circumstances, one or more of the 3 year pay back rules may be available to get the money back into the Roth IRA. This keeps the money available for retirement in a tax-free account. One advantage of combining a withdrawal of Roth IRA basis with a 3 year pay back is that the IRS should not require the filing of an amended return, since no items of income, deduction, or tax should change. In theory, the IRS could require the filing of an amended Form 8606, since that form can be filed as a standalone tax return. In regulations or other guidance, the IRS and Treasury should make clear their position on what amended tax return filings are needed, if any.

Taxable Accounts

Here’s the thing. One should not look to use retirement accounts for emergency expenses. I understand that sometimes it is necessary to do so. But generally speaking, if one has adequate financial resources, they should set up a savings account to have funds available to handle emergencies. One tax benefit of doing so is that in today’s low-yield environment, a savings account can protect against emergencies without generating much in the way of taxable income.

Conclusion

The hope is tax-advantaged savings never need to be accessed in an emergency. Of course, life does not always go to hope or to plan, so there are times when retirement accounts are accessed in an emergency. Taxpayers and practitioners should research options when taking pre-retirement emergency withdrawals from tax-advantaged retirement accounts. The IRS and Treasury will (hopefully soon) issue regulations and/or other guidance on the many new SECURE 2.0 emergency withdrawal rules and pay back rules.

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A Few Introductory Notes Before We Get Started

Roth IRA Qualified Distributions

Roth IRA Nonqualified Distributions

Ordering Rule

Tax Free Withdrawal of Owner Contributions (Both Annual Contributions and Roth Conversions)

5 Year Clock on Roth Conversions

Roth Earnings

A Quick Note on Roth IRA Aggregation

Application to Fact Patterns

Roth IRA Distributions Summary Chart

Exceptions to the 59 ½ Year Age Requirement

Resources

First Five-Year Rule: Earnings Cannot Be Withdrawn Income Tax Free From a Roth IRA Unless the Account Holder has Owned a Roth IRA for Five Full Tax Years

If Anyone on Capitol Hill is Reading This . . .

Second Five-Year Rule: Taxable Conversions Are Subject to the Ten Percent Early Withdrawal Penalty if Withdrawn from the Roth IRA Within Five Taxable Years

When Might the Second Roth IRA Five-Year Rule Apply

Conclusion

Further Reading

Who Pays to Save Social Security and Medicare?

PROPOSAL ONE: No changes to the Social Security and Medicare eligibility ages.

PROPOSAL TWO: No Increase to the FICA Tax Rates (Employee and Employer)

Tax Increases to Save Social Security and Medicare

PROPOSAL THREE: Increase the additional Medicare tax on earned income from 0.9% to 2.0% Use half the tax (1.0%) fund Medicare and half the tax (1.0%) fund Social Security.

PROPOSAL FOUR: Increase the Medicare surtax on net investment income from 3.8% to 5.0%. Use the increase (1.2%) to fund Social Security.

PROPOSAL FIVE: Impose a new 25% excise tax on net investment income of college endowments with $1 billion or more in assets as of year end.

Stabilizing The Federal Government’s Finances

PROPOSAL SIX: Significant reductions in military and foreign spending

Self-Help

PROPOSAL SEVEN: Change Your Health

Conclusion

HSA Planning

Spousal Beneficiaries

Other Individuals

Inherited HSA Tax Exception

The Estate

Charitable Beneficiaries

Later In Life HSA Planning

Conclusion

Terminology and Titling

Types of Beneficiaries

Spouses

RMD Beneficiaries

Successor Beneficiaries

Minor Children of the Owner

Successor Beneficiaries

10-year Beneficiaries

Successor Beneficiaries

Estates

Trusts

Charities

Planning

For Owners

For Beneficiaries

Further Reading

529-to-Roth IRA Rollover Introduction

529-to-Roth IRA Rollover Details

529 Rollovers as Roth Contributions and Roth Earnings

Sean’s Take

529 Seasoning

Multiple Beneficiaries

Starting with Owner as Beneficiary

Don’t Plan on Using the 529-to-Roth IRA Maneuver if You Aren’t Going to College

Changing the Beneficiary to the Owner

Changing the Beneficiary and the 15 Year Clock

A Critical Look at the 529

Conclusion

Financial Independence

529s

529s and the FI Community

Young Parents and 529s

The Value of the 529’s Tax Benefits

Use Restrictions

Feeding the Beast

529 Use Cases

Financially Independent Parents

Capturing State Tax Benefits

Conclusion

Health Savings Accounts

Health Savings Accounts PUQME

Restricted Accounts