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TikTok Tax Advice

There’s tax advice available on TikTok. Is it worth following? Does it miss the big picture?

Retirement Saving Through Various Forms of Life Insurance

TikTok tax advice often boils down to something like the following: don’t save in traditional retirement accounts where you will get crushed by taxes in retirement. Rather, save for retirement through permanent life insurance products (such as indexed universal life insurance policies) to get tax free growth and tax free withdrawals during retirement. 

Watch me discuss two problems with TikTok tax advice on YouTube.

This advice is not just offered on TikTok, though, anecdotally, it appears TikTok is at least something of a hub for promoting indexed universal life (“IUL”) and other forms of permanent life insurance. 

One recent example of this sort of advice posits a retired couple making $160,000 a year in IRA/401(k) distributions and $40K in Social Security/pension income and worries that the couple will have a terrible tax problem. 

But is that really the case? Let’s play it out with a detailed example.

Sally and Joe both turn age 75 in 2022. They are California residents. During their working years, they were prodigious savers in their workplace 401(k) plans, and their employers offered generous matching contributions. As a result, in 2022 they have required minimum distributions (“RMDs”) of $160,000. They also will have $40,000 of Social Security income, $4,000 of qualified dividend income, and $1,000 of interest income. Further, being tax savvy, they contribute $500 a month to their church through qualified charitable distributions (“QCDs”) from their traditional IRAs. They claim the standard deduction as their home is paid off and thus have no mortgage interest deductions. 

Alright, let’s see what Sally and Joe’s 2022 tax picture (all numbers are estimates) looks like:

First, their rough 2022 federal income tax return:

Federal Income Tax Return
RMDs$ 160,000
Social Security$ 40,000
15% Social Security Exclusion$ (6,000)
Interest$ 1,000
Qualified Dividends$ 4,000
QCD RMD Exclusion$ (6,000)
Adjusted Gross Income (“AGI”)$ 193,000
Standard Deduction$ (25,900)
Additional SD Age 65+$ (2,800)
Federal Taxable Income$ 164,300

Let’s turn to what their $164,300 federal taxable income means in terms of federal and California income taxes paid and their 2022 cash flow:

2022 Income Taxes and Cash Flow (Estimated)
Federal Income Tax$ 27,100
Effective Tax Rate on AGI14.04%
Marginal Federal Income Tax Rate22%
California Taxable Income (Approximate):$ 149,000
California Income Tax (Approx.)$ 7,862
Effective CA Income Tax Rate on Fed AGI4.07%
Marginal CA Income Tax Rate9.30%
Total Fed & CA Effective Income Tax Rate18.11%
Cash Flow After Fed & CA Income Tax & QCDs$ 164,038

By my math, after paying both income taxes and charitable contributions, this retired couple has $164,000 in cash flow for living expenses. Considering that, like many retirees, they live in a paid-off home, do we really believe there is a significant risk they will not be able to pay their bills? This couple ought to be able to enjoy a very pleasant, comfortable lifestyle, including recreational activities and travel.

Are Sally and Joe really getting crushed by income taxes? As residents of a high tax state, they do pay about $35K in combined federal and state income taxes. Sure, if $35K was on the table in front of you, you’d grab it pretty quick. But considering the $200K plus in cash flow they generated during the year, paying $35K in income taxes to the IRS and California is hardly financially debilitating. 

Most retired couples, even financially successful couples, will not have federal adjusted gross income of $193,000. If Sally and Joe are not crushed by income taxes (paying just an 18.11% estimated effective rate even living in a high-tax state), it is likely most retirees will be able to withstand the tax hits at retirement from having significant savings in traditional deferred retirement accounts. 

The Trade-Off Unstated on TikTok

TikTok tax advice often presents the boogeyman of taxes in retirement. It says “don’t invest in your 401(k) because it will get crushed in retirement.” Even if that were true, it usually neglects an important consideration: the upfront benefit of investing in a 401(k). 

During their working careers, it is likely that Joe and Sally were subject to marginal income tax rates of 24% or more federal and 9.3% California. Had they used permanent life insurance to save instead of using their 401(k)s, they would have lost 33 cents (or more) on every dollar in immediate tax savings, as there is no tax deduction for amounts contributed to life insurance policies.

The existence of the tax deduction for amounts contributed to a traditional 401(k) does not automatically mean that using permanent life insurance products for retirement is a bad idea. However, in weighing the tax benefits of the traditional 401(k) approach compared to the permanent life insurance approach, one must consider the immediate, and potentially substantial, tax benefits of traditional 401(k) contributions. 

One consideration in weighing the pros and cons of each: traditional 401(k) contributions generally get a tax benefit at the taxpayer’s marginal tax rate, while withdrawals from traditional 401(k)s and IRAs are more generally taxed at a taxpayer’s lower effective rate. On the way out, withdrawals are taxed through the relatively progressive tax brackets existing today, getting the benefits of the 10%, 12%, and 22% federal income tax brackets. 

Uncertainty

But, Sean, what about future tax rate increases! The federal government is running a huge deficit and it’s not getting any better.

This is a valid point. But let’s consider a few things. First, in my example, Sally and Joe were subject to a 33.3% marginal tax rate during their working years, and barely over an 18% effective tax rate during their retirement. For the math to work out to make permanent life insurance more attractive (tax-wise) than traditional 401(k)s for them, tax rates would need to be increased substantially, by over 80%. Thus, even if tax rates on retirees such as Joe and Sally were to increase 85% from current levels, the tax math might only marginally favor using permanent life insurance instead of a traditional 401(k). 

Second, if there are going to be income tax rate increases, they are more likely to be to the upper tax brackets. There are fewer taxpayers (read: voters) subject to the higher tax brackets, so those are the ones the politicians are more likely to increase. Increasing the 10%, the 12%, and/or the 22% tax brackets will impact more voters and lead to more election risk for the politicians.

Third, recent history suggests that the politicians are not likely to target retirees. It’s true that Social Security went from being tax free to being largely subject to taxation, up to 85% taxable. Interestingly enough, the second Social Security tax increase, which subjected Social Security to possibly being 85% taxable, passed through a Democratic Congress in 1993. The following year the Democrats suffered historic losses in the House and Senate elections. Many factors came into play, but it is interesting that since 1994 tax policy has generally benefited retirees (no more tax increases on Social Security, increasingly progressive tax brackets, and the increased standard deduction). 

Perhaps the politicians in both parties have learned a lesson when it comes to retiree taxation.

Is there zero risk that retirees could be subject to higher taxes in the future? Absolutely not. But, is that risk great enough to eschew traditional 401(k) contributions in favor of permanent life insurance? Not in my opinion.

Further, there are simpler, less costly planning techniques other than permanent life insurance that those using 401(k)s for retirement planning can avail themselves of, including Roth accounts and health savings accounts

Roth Accounts

Savers worried about future tax rate hikes have a simple, easy to implement tool to hedge against future tax rate increases: the Roth IRA. The Roth IRA solves the same tax problem that permanent life insurance solves for. In today’s environment, Roth IRAs are available at a vast array of financial institutions with very low fees. 

As I have previously discussed, many savers will benefit from the combination of a maxed out traditional 401(k) and a maxed out annual Roth IRA

Many will point out the possibility of much greater contributions to an indexed universal life insurance policy than to a Roth IRA. While true, many of those concerned with getting large amounts into tax-free accounts while working can turn to the Roth 401(k), which has significantly greater annual contribution limits than the Roth IRA. 

Roth Conversions

Many in the FIRE community have access to Roth conversions during what are likely to lower taxable income years. The tax idea behind retiring early is to load up on traditional 401(k) contributions during working years, and then convert amounts inside traditional retirement accounts to Roth accounts during early retirement years prior to collecting Social Security. 

In early retirement years, many in the FIRE movement appear, at least initially, to be poor on their tax return. No longer working, and not yet collecting Social Security, one’s tax return only includes interest income, dividend income, and some capital gains income. If that income is relatively low (which it is likely to be for many early retirees), it likely leaves room for Roth conversions at the 10% or 12% tax brackets during early retirement. 

This is tax rate arbitrage. First, deduct 401(k) contributions in the 24% or greater federal income tax brackets during one’s working years. Then, during early retirement, convert amounts in the traditional retirement accounts at a 10%, 12%, or perhaps 22% marginal federal income tax rate. 

Two observations: A) using permanent life insurance instead of traditional 401(k) contributions followed by early retirement Roth conversions denies members of the FIRE community a significant tax rate arbitrage opportunity. While there is no taxable income inclusion when withdrawing from a permanent life insurance policy, there is also no tax deduction for contributions to IULs, whole life insurance, and other permanent life insurance policies. 

B) By doing Roth conversions during early retirement, FIRE members reduce the uncertainty risk described above. FIRE members face a shorter time frame during which significant savings are in traditional retirement accounts, as the goal is (generally speaking) to get the money (mostly) converted to Roths prior to age 70.

The Roth conversion tool reduces the risk that future tax increases will crush savers who mostly use traditional 401(k)s during their working years. While this is true for all savers, it is most especially true for members of the FIRE community. 

A note on tax optimization: Imagine Joe and Sally were retired at age 55, today’s tax laws existed, and they had many years with artificially low taxable income. Say they did not do Roth conversions during this time. Is that a mistake? From a tax optimization perspective, absolutely. They would have likely been able to do Roth conversions at a 10% or 12% federal income tax rate, which is lower than both their retirement 22% marginal federal income tax rate and 18.11% combined effective income tax rate. While they are not tax optimized, they are something more important in my example: financially successful. Yes, tax optimization is important, but it is not the be-all and end-all. My guess is that financially successful individuals do not regret the failure to tax optimize on their deathbeds, though I look forward to reading Jordan “Doc G” Grumet’s new book to be sure. 

Conclusion

I’m not here to tell you exactly how to save for retirement. But I am concerned that TikTok tax advice has two deficiencies. First, it overstates the problem of taxation in retirement. Is there a potential problem? Yes. Is it as severe as some make it out to be? Not under today’s laws. Further, there are tactics such as annual Roth IRA contributions and Roth conversions during early retirement that can address the problem. Second, TikTok tax advice understates the current benefit of deductible traditional 401(k) contributions during one’s working years. 

Further Reading

Forbes has recently published two articles on the sorts of insurance policies frequently promoted on TikTok. They are available here and here

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Four Ways to Fight Inflation

Decisions you make today can subject you to more inflation tomorrow! Read below about ways to increase or decrease your exposure to inflation tomorrow.

Watch me discuss fighting back against inflation.

Tax Planning

As a practical matter, most Americans have the majority of their retirement savings in traditional, pre-tax vehicles such as the 401(k). Having money in a traditional 401(k) is not a bad thing. However, the traditional 401(k) involves trade offs: an upfront tax deduction is the primary benefit in exchange for future taxation when there is a withdrawal or Roth conversion.

Having money inside traditional retirement accounts subjects future inflation to taxation. Some of the future growth in a traditional retirement account is likely to be attributable to inflation, and thus there will be a tax on inflation. Further, there are no inflation adjustments when it comes to the taxation of traditional IRA and traditional 401(k) withdrawals. 

An antidote to this problem is the tax free growth offered by Roth accounts and health savings accounts. Getting money into Roths and HSAs excuses future growth from taxation, including growth attributable to inflation. 

Roth 401(k) versus Roth IRA

Of course, inflation is only one consideration. Many will do some traditional retirement account contributions and some Roth retirement account contributions. The question then arises: which Roth account to use? 

My view is that for many a Roth IRA contribution (whether a direct annual contribution or a Backdoor Roth IRA) is better than a Roth 401(k) contribution. Many do not qualify to deduct a traditional IRA contribution but can deduct a traditional 401(k) contribution. Considering that reality, why not combine a deductible traditional 401(k) contribution and a Roth IRA contribution? 

Long Term Fixed Rate Debt

Often we discuss how inflation hurts Americans, and we should be concerned about the bad effects of inflation. However, there is a way to become a beneficiary of inflation: using long-term, low interest fixed rate debt to your advantage.

That’s right: hold onto that low rate 30 year mortgage like it’s a life raft! Okay, that’s a bit hyperbolic, but the overall point holds. Inflationary environments are great for debtors, particularly those debtors who have locked in a low interest rate for a long term.

Here is an example: Sarah and Mike have a 30 year, $400,000 mortgage on their primary residence at a 2.9% fixed interest rate. By paying the required monthly payment, and no more, they benefit from any future inflation. By paying off the mortgage later rather than sooner, they are using devalued future money to pay the mortgage rather than more valuable current day dollars. 

Sarah and Mike benefit from inflation! Are there reasons to pay off a mortgage early? Sure. But in an inflationary environment, paying off the mortgage early gives the bank more valuable dollars to satisfy the debt.

To my mind, a fixed rate, long term mortgage is a great hedge against inflation.

That said, there are few perfect financial planning tactics. Most involve risk trade offs. One risk Sarah and Mike assume by not paying down the mortgage early is the risk of deflation. To obtain this inflation hedge, they expose themselves to the risk of deflation. If the U.S. dollar starts to deflate (i.e., it appreciates in value), Sarah and Mike will find themselves paying more valuable dollars to the bank in the future. 

Travel Rewards

Travel rewards can help fight inflation. One way is using sign-up bonuses and other accrued points to pay for hotel room nights or flights. Using points gets out of cash paying and thus inflation of the dollar hurts a bit less.

However, keep in mind that travel reward points are subject to their own inflation! The hotel chain or airline can devalue the redemption value of points at any time. Thus, if everything else is equal, those with significant travel rewards point balances might want to spend those points sooner rather than later for travel. 

A second consideration are the features of credit cards. Some travel branded credit cards come with certificates for free nights or a companion pass for a companion to receive free or discounted flights. If flighting inflation is a key goal, favoring cards that offer free-night certificates or companion passes can be a way to fight inflation. 

Spending that Leads to More or Less Future Spending

We’re used to assessing the price tag. $28,000 for that brand new car: “that’s a great deal!” or “that’s a terrible deal!” But the price tag is only one part of the financial picture.

If you buy a black cup of coffee at Starbucks, it might cost you $2.65. Fortunately, that’s it. The cup of coffee isn’t likely to cause you to incur later costs.

What about a $45,000 SUV? That purchase will cause later costs, many significant. For example, the cost to insure a $45,000 SUV might be significantly more than insuring a $22,000 sedan. What about gas? By purchasing a larger, less fuel-efficient car, you lock in more future spending, and thus more exposure to future inflation. 

Think about buying a large home with a pool in the backyard. That square footage attracts property tax, heating and cooling costs, and inflation in both costs. The pool in the backyard requires constant upkeep, subjecting the homeowner to another source of inflation. 

To my mind, food is a big one in the fight against inflation. What you eat today could very well translate into medical costs tomorrow, exposing you to significant inflation. Spending on foods with vegetable oils and sugars today is likely to increase your future exposure to medical expense inflation. 

The lesson is this: you can use today’s spending to reduce your exposure to future inflation. 

Conclusion

Is there a perfect answer to inflation? No. But with some intentional planning and spending today, Americans can reduce their exposure to the harmful effects of future inflation. 

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The Backdoor Roth IRA and December 31st

New Year’s Eve is an important day if you do a Backdoor Roth IRA. Read below to find out why.

The Backdoor Roth IRA

I’ve written before about the Backdoor Roth IRA. It is a two step process whereby those not qualifying for a regular Roth IRA contribution can qualify to get money into a Roth IRA. Done over several years, it can help taxpayers grow significant amounts of tax free wealth.

One of the best aspects of the Backdoor Roth IRA is that it does not forego a tax deduction. Most taxpayers ineligible to make a regular Roth IRA contribution are also ineligible to make a deductible traditional IRA contribution. In the vast majority of cases, the choice is between investing money in a taxable account versus investing in a Roth account. For most, a Roth is preferable, since Roths do not attract income taxes on the interest, dividends, and capital gains investments generate. 

The Basic Backdoor Roth IRA and the Form 8606

Let’s start with a fairly basic example. 

Example 1

Betsy, age 40, earns $300,000 from her W-2 job in 2021, is covered by a workplace 401(k) plan, and has some investment income. Betsy has no balance in a traditional IRA, SEP IRA, or SIMPLE IRA.

At this level of income, Betsy does not qualify for a regular Roth IRA contribution, and she does not qualify to deduct a traditional IRA contribution. 

Betsy contributes $6,000 to a traditional IRA on May 20, 2021. The contribution is nondeductible. Because the contribution is nondeductible, Betsy gets a $6,000 basis in her traditional IRA. Betsy must file a Form 8606 with her 2021 tax return to report the nondeductible contribution.

On June 5, 2021, Betsy converts the entire balance in the traditional IRA, $6,003, to a Roth IRA. As of December 31, 2021, Betsy has no balance in a traditional IRA, SEP IRA, or SIMPLE IRA.

Betsy has successfully executed a Backdoor Roth IRA. Here is what page 1 of the Form 8606 Betsy should file with her 2021 income tax return should look like. 

Notice here that I am using the 2020 version of the Form 8606 for this and all examples. The 2021 Form 8606 is not yet available as of this writing. 

The most important line of page 1 of the Form 8606 is line 6. Line 6 reports the fair market value of all traditional IRAs, SEP IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs Betsy owns as of year-end. Because Betsy had no traditional IRAs, SEP IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs as of December 31, 2021, her Backdoor Roth IRA works and is tax efficient. This important number ($0) on line 6 of the Form 8606 is what ensures Betsy’s Backdoor Roth IRA is tax efficient. 

Note that Betsy’s Backdoor Roth IRA creates an innocuous $3 of taxable income, which is reported on the top of part 2 of the Form 8606. 

The Pro-Rata Rule and December 31st

But what if Betsy did have a balance inside a traditional IRA, SEP IRA, or SIMPLE IRA on December 31, 2021? Would her Backdoor Roth IRA still be tax efficient? Probably not, due to the Pro-Rata Rule.

The Pro-Rata Rule tells us just how much of the basis in her traditional IRA Betsy can recover when she does the Roth conversion step of the Backdoor Roth IRA. Betsy’s $6,000 nondeductible traditional IRA creates $6,000 of basis. As we saw above, Betsy was able to recover 100 percent of her $6,000 of basis against her Roth conversion. 

But the Pro-Rata Rule says “not so fast” if Betsy has another traditional IRA, SEP IRA, or SIMPLE IRA on December 31st of the year of any Roth conversion. The Pro-Rata Rule allocates IRA Basis between converted amounts (in Betsy’s case, $6,003) and amounts in traditional IRAs, SEP IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs on December 31st. Here’s an example. 

Example 2

Betsy, age 40, earns $300,000 from her W-2 job in 2021, is covered by a workplace 401(k) plan, and has some investment income. Betsy has no balance in a traditional IRA, SEP IRA, or SIMPLE IRA.

Betsy contributes $6,000 to a traditional IRA on May 20, 2021. The contribution is nondeductible. Because the contribution is nondeductible, Betsy gets a $6,000 basis in her traditional IRA. Betsy must file a Form 8606 with her 2021 tax return to report the nondeductible contribution.

On June 5, 2021, Betsy converts the entire balance in the traditional IRA, $6,003, to a Roth IRA. 

On September 1, 2021, Betsy transfers an old 401(k) from a previous employer 401(k) plan to a traditional IRA. On December 31st, that traditional IRA is worth $100,000. The old 401(k) had no after-tax contributions. 

This one 401(k)-to-IRA rollover transaction dramatically changes both the taxation of Betsy’s Backdoor Roth IRA and her 2021 Form 8606. Here’s page 1 of the Form 8606.

Line 6 of the Form 8606 now has $100,000 on it instead of $0. That $100,000 causes Betsy to recover only 5.67 percent of the $6,000 of basis she created by making a nondeductible contribution to the traditional IRA. As a result, $5,663 of the $6,003 transferred to the Roth IRA in the Roth conversion step is taxable to Betsy as ordinary income. At a 35% tax rate, the 401(k) to IRA rollover (a nontaxable transaction) cost Betsy $1,982 in federal income tax on her Backdoor Roth IRA. Ouch!

Quick Lesson: The lesson here is that prior to rolling over a 401(k) or other workplace plan to an IRA, taxpayers should consider the impact on any Backdoor Roth IRA planning already done and/or planned for the future. One possible planning alternative is to transfer old employer 401(k) accounts to current employer 401(k) plans.

There is an antidote to the Pro-Rata Rule when one has amounts in traditional IRAs, SEP IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs. It is transferring the traditional IRA, SEP IRA, or SIMPLE IRA to a qualified plan (such as a 401(k) plan) before December 31st. Here is what that might look like in Betsy’s example. 

Example 3

Betsy, age 40, earns $300,000 from her W-2 job in 2021, is covered by a workplace 401(k) plan, and has some investment income. Betsy has no balance in a traditional IRA, SEP IRA, or SIMPLE IRA.

Betsy contributes $6,000 to a traditional IRA on May 20, 2021. The contribution is nondeductible. Because the contribution is nondeductible, Betsy gets a $6,000 basis in her traditional IRA. Betsy must file a Form 8606 with her 2021 tax return to report the nondeductible contribution.

On June 5, 2021, Betsy converts the entire balance in the traditional IRA, $6,003, to a Roth IRA. 

On September 1, 2021, Betsy transfers an old 401(k) from a previous employer to a traditional IRA. The old 401(k) had no after-tax contributions. 

On November 16, 2021, Betsy transfers the entire balance in this new traditional IRA to her current employer’s 401(k) plan in a direct trustee-to-trustee transfer. 

Here is Betsy’s 2021 Form 8606 (page 1) after all of these events:

Betsy got clean by December 31st, so her Backdoor Roth IRA now reverts to the optimized result (just $3 of taxable income) she obtained in Example 1. 

Pro-Rata Rule Clean Up

Implementation 

From a planning perspective, it is best to clean up old traditional IRAs/SEP IRAs/SIMPLE IRAs prior to, not after, executing the Roth conversion step of a Backdoor Roth IRA. I say that because things happen in life. There is absolutely no guarantee that those intending to roll amounts from IRAs to workplace qualified plans will get that accomplished by December 31st. 

Further, transfers from one retirement account to another are usually best done through a direct “trustee-to-trustee” transfer to minimize the risk that the money in the retirement account accidentally is distributed to the individual, causing potential tax and penalties. 

Before cleaning up old traditional IRAs, SEP IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs, one should consider the investment choices and fees inside their employer retirement plan (such as a 401(k)). If the investment options are not good, and/or the fees are high, perhaps cleaning up an IRA to move money into less desirable investments is not worth it. This is a subjective judgment that must weigh the potential tax and investment benefits and drawbacks. 

Tax Issues

Amazingly enough, the Pro-Rata Rule is concerned with only one day: December 31st. A taxpayer can have a balance in a traditional IRA, SEP IRA, or SIMPLE IRA on any day other than December 31st, and it does not count for purposes of the Pro-Rata Rule. Perhaps December 31st should be called Pro-Rata Rule Day instead of New Year’s Eve. 😉

Betsy’s November 16th distribution from her traditional IRA to the 401(k) plan does not attract any of the basis created by the nondeductible traditional IRA contribution earlier in the year. This document provides a brief technical explanation of why rollovers to qualified plans do not reduce IRA basis

Extra care should be taken when cleaning up (a) large amounts in any type of IRA and (b) any SIMPLE IRA. While it is fairly obvious that significant sums should be moved only after considering all the relevant investment, tax, and execution issues, the SIMPLE IRA provides its own nuances. Any SIMPLE IRA cannot be rolled to an account other than a SIMPLE IRA within the SIMPLE IRA’s first two years of existence. Thus, SIMPLE IRAs must be appropriately aged before doing any sort of Backdoor Roth IRA clean up planning. 

Spouses are entirely separate for Pro-Rata Rule purposes, even in community property states. Cleaning up one spouse, or failing to clean up one spouse, has absolutely no impact on the taxation of the other spouse’s Backdoor Roth IRA.

Lastly, non spousal inherited IRAs do not factor into a taxpayer’s application of the Pro-Rata Rule. Each non spousal inherited IRA has its own separate, hermetically sealed Pro-Rata Rule calculation. The inheriting beneficiary does a Pro-Rata Rule calculation on all IRAs he/she owns as the original owner, separate from any inherited IRAs. In addition, non spousal inherited IRAs cannot be rolled into a 401(k).

Mega Backdoor Roth

Good news: the concerns addressed in this blog post generally do not apply with respect to the Mega Backdoor Roth (sometimes referred to as a Mega Backdoor Roth IRA, though a Roth IRA does not necessarily have to be involved). Qualified plans such as 401(k)s are not subject to the Pro-Rata Rule. 

While 401(k)s are not subject to the Pro-Rata Rule, amounts within a particular 401(k) plan’s after-tax 401(k) are subject to the “cream-in-the-coffee” rule I previously wrote about here. Thus, if there is growth on Mega Backdoor Roth contributions before they are moved out of the after-tax 401(k), generally speaking either the taxpayer must pay income tax on the growth (if moved to a Roth account) or the taxpayer can separately roll the growth to a traditional IRA (which could then create a rather small Pro-Rata Rule issue with future Backdoor Roth IRAs). Fortunately, the cream-in-the-coffee rule has a much narrower reach than the Pro-Rata Rule.

Backdoor Roth IRA Tax Return Reporting

Watch me discuss Backdoor Roth IRA tax return reporting.

Conclusion

Get your IRAs in order so you can enjoy New Year’s Eve! 

December 31st is an important date when it comes to Backdoor Roth IRA planning. It is important to plan to have no (or at a minimum, very small) balances in traditional IRAs, SEP IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs on December 31st when planning Backdoor Roth IRAs. 

None of what is discussed in this blog post is advice for any particular taxpayer. Those working through Backdoor Roth IRA planning issues are often well advised to reach out to professional advisors regarding their own tax situation.

Further Reading

I did a blog post about Backdoor Roth IRA tax return reporting here.

I did a deep dive on the taxation of Roth IRA withdrawals here.

I did a deep dive on the Pro-Rata Rule here.

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This post is for entertainment and educational purposes only. It does not constitute accounting, financial, investment, legal, or tax advice. Please consult with your advisor(s) regarding your personal accounting, financial, investment, legal, and tax matters. Please also refer to the Disclaimer & Warning section found here.

Sean on The Struggle is Real Podcast

I chatted with Justin Peters on The Struggle is Real Podcast regarding tax issues for those in their 20s to consider. You can access the episode here: https://justinleepeters.podbean.com/e/what-you-need-to-know-about-taxes-in-your-20s-e39-sean-mullaney/

As always, the discussion is general and educational in nature and does not constitute tax, investment, legal, or financial advice with respect to any particular individual or taxpayer. Please consult your own advisors regarding your own unique situation.

FI Tax Guy can be your financial advisor! Find out more by visiting mullaneyfinancial.com

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This post is for entertainment and educational purposes only. It does not constitute accounting, financial, investment, legal, or tax advice. Please consult with your advisor(s) regarding your personal accounting, financial, investment, legal, and tax matters. Please also refer to the Disclaimer & Warning section found here

Sean Discusses the Roth 401(k) on the ChooseFI Podcast

Watch my recent segment on the ChooseFI podcast discussing the Roth 401(k)

I was privileged to join Brad and Jonathan on a recent episode of the ChooseFI podcast to discuss the Roth 401(k).

You can access the episode (Episode 289) on all major podcast players and here: https://www.choosefi.com/a-smorgasbord-of-fi-ep-289/

I have also blogged on the Roth 401(k). Here are two posts:

Roth 401(k)s for Beginners

Roth 401k Withdrawals

FI Tax Guy can be your financial advisor! Find out more by visiting mullaneyfinancial.com

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This post is for entertainment and educational purposes only. It does not constitute accounting, financial, investment, legal, or tax advice. Please consult with your advisor(s) regarding your personal accounting, financial, investment, legal, and tax matters. Please also refer to the Disclaimer & Warning section found here